[ANN] new Seaside homepage

[Keithy]

"Seaside... its a beach"

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[Carl Gundel]

Is there an easy way to know what browser and version the user of a session
is using?

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[Richard Eng]

Small correction: make that "The Fast Lane on the HTTP".


On 7/12/07 12:25 AM, "Richard Eng" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> How about "The Easy Road to the Agile Web"? (Alluding to agile development.)
>
> Or "Archimedes' Lever to the Web"? (The power to move the world.)
>
> Or "The Fast Lane to HTTP"? (Suggesting rapid prototyping.)
>
> Or "The Elegant Web"? (Writing elegant applications for the web.)
>
> Or "The Avant-Garde Web"? (Cutting edge, vanguard development. Seaside is
> rebellious.)
>
> Or "Sophisticated Web Creations"? (The artful way to create web apps.)
>
> Or "The Way of the Web Warrior"? (An allusion to martial arts.)

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[Lukas Renggli]

> Is there an easy way to know what browser and version the user of a session
> is using?

self session currentRequest userAgent

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[Michel Bany-2]

On 12 Jul 2007, at 14:24 , Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> Is there an easy way to know what browser and version the user of  
>> a session
>> is using?
>
> self session currentRequest userAgent
>

Hi Lukas,

Similarly, do you have a trick for getting the screen dimensions,  
before showing the first page?

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[Lukas Renggli]

> Similarly, do you have a trick for getting the screen dimensions,
> before showing the first page?

Only through a redirect using JavaScript. The screen resolution is not
available in the HTTP header.

renderContentOn: html
        x isNil ifTrue: [
                x := 0. y := 0.
                html script: 'window.location.href="' , html context actionUrl asString ,
                        '&' , (html callbacks registerCallback: [ :v | x := v asNumber]) ,
                        '=" + screen.width + "' ,
                        '&' , (html callbacks registerCallback: [ :v | y := v asNumber]) ,
                        '=" + screen.height' ].
        html render: x; text: ' x '; render: y

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[Sebastian Sastre-2]

Hi Carl,

        do you use Firebug? You can take look at the window object of the
DOM. It has a property named 'navigator' where you could take all those
details. If you need to know that at server side, I think you can use a
request to pass the values to seaside.

        cheers,

Sebastian Sastre

 

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Carl Gundel
> Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Julio de 2007 09:19
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: [Seaside] [vw]Browser type?
>
> Is there an easy way to know what browser and version the
> user of a session is using?
>
> -Carl Gundel
> http://www.runbasic.com
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[Michel Bany-2]

Cool! Thanks.
Isn't it worth an api?
Michel.


On 12 Jul 2007, at 15:23 , Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> Similarly, do you have a trick for getting the screen dimensions,
>> before showing the first page?
>
> Only through a redirect using JavaScript. The screen resolution is not
> available in the HTTP header.
>
> renderContentOn: html
> x isNil ifTrue: [
> x := 0. y := 0.
> html script: 'window.location.href="' , html context actionUrl  
> asString ,
> '&' , (html callbacks registerCallback: [ :v | x := v asNumber]) ,
> '=" + screen.width + "' ,
> '&' , (html callbacks registerCallback: [ :v | y := v asNumber]) ,
> '=" + screen.height' ].
> html render: x; text: ' x '; render: y
>
> Lukas
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[Lukas Renggli]

> Cool! Thanks.
> Isn't it worth an api?

I would prefer not to have any JavaScript API in the core of Seaside.
Depending on what JavaScript libraries you use this can really mess up
everything.

Lukas

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[Sebastian Sastre-2]

That's true but I see that today we have the beginning of a long run
compromise with Prototype so..

Sebastian
 

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Lukas Renggli
> Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Julio de 2007 11:18
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: Re: [Seaside] [vw]Browser type?
>
> > Cool! Thanks.
> > Isn't it worth an api?
>
> I would prefer not to have any JavaScript API in the core of Seaside.
> Depending on what JavaScript libraries you use this can
> really mess up everything.
>
> Lukas
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[Keithy]

how about...

Seaside...when you are going off the rails, take a holiday!

cheers

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[Monty Williams]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

How about changing "Out of Beta since 2002" to "Making Web Development Easier Since 2002"?

> My only quibble is with the tag-line "Out of Beta since 2002".
> This doesn't seem like the most positive statement about Seaside.
> The maturity implied by the date is diminished by the "Out of Beta".
> I don't have an ideal replacement, but something along the lines of 
> "Simplifying web development since 2002" or "Speeding web development
> since 2002" would leave a more positive impression.

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[Richard Eng]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

I find the word “heretic” in “The heretic web framework” a bit off-putting. The word has a bad connotation. Better alternatives would be “iconoclast” or “renegade”.

Similarly, the word “elitist” in “The elitist web framework with the ironic slogans” is kinda snobbish and pretentious. Might I suggest the word “avant-garde” or “transcendent”?

Regards,
Richard


On 7/12/07 2:43 PM, "Monty Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:

How about changing "Out of Beta since 2002" to "Making Web Development Easier Since 2002"?

> My only quibble is with the tag-line "Out of Beta since 2002".
> This doesn't seem like the most positive statement about Seaside.
> The maturity implied by the date is diminished by the "Out of Beta".
> I don't have an ideal replacement, but something along the lines of  
> "Simplifying web development since 2002" or "Speeding web development
> since 2002" would leave a more positive impression.

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[Richard Eng]

The more I think about it, the more I believe "The Fast Lane to HTTP" is the
*best* slogan of the bunch...

Richard


On 7/12/07 12:25 AM, "Richard Eng" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> How about "The Easy Road to the Agile Web"? (Alluding to agile development.)
>
> Or "Archimedes' Lever to the Web"? (The power to move the world.)
>
> Or "The Fast Lane to HTTP"? (Suggesting rapid prototyping.)
>
> Or "The Elegant Web"? (Writing elegant applications for the web.)
>
> Or "The Avant-Garde Web"? (Cutting edge, vanguard development. Seaside is
> rebellious.)
>
> Or "Sophisticated Web Creations"? (The artful way to create web apps.)
>
> Or "The Way of the Web Warrior"? (An allusion to martial arts.)

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[Avi Bryant-2]

On 7/12/07, Richard Eng <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  I find the word "heretic" in "The heretic web framework" a bit off-putting.
> The word has a bad connotation. Better alternatives would be "iconoclast" or
> "renegade".

I don't think the connotations are that bad, unless you're catholic.
According to the OED, heresy is "an opinion or doctrine ... at
variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."  Which
describes Seaside perfectly.

There's already a fair amount of branding around Seaside as "the
heretical web framework" because of talks I've given at O'Reilly
conferences.  So, now that I think of it, having a slogan around
heresy seems like a great idea.  Anyone have any ideas?

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[Blake-5]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:33:37 -0700, Avi Bryant <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There's already a fair amount of branding around Seaside as "the
> heretical web framework" because of talks I've given at O'Reilly
> conferences.  So, now that I think of it, having a slogan around
> heresy seems like a great idea.  Anyone have any ideas?

A bunch of former Ruby programmers talking about how great seaside is  
followed with a one-word slogan?

Apostasize!
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[Richard Eng]

Well, if branding based on this word is already well-known, then I guess
it's okay. I'm not Catholic (I'm agnostic), but "heretic" always conjures up
images of the authorities stoning you or beating you into submission.  :-)

Richard


On 7/12/07 3:33 PM, "Avi Bryant" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 7/12/07, Richard Eng <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  I find the word "heretic" in "The heretic web framework" a bit off-putting.
>> The word has a bad connotation. Better alternatives would be "iconoclast" or
>> "renegade".
>
> I don't think the connotations are that bad, unless you're catholic.
> According to the OED, heresy is "an opinion or doctrine ... at
> variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."  Which
> describes Seaside perfectly.
>
> There's already a fair amount of branding around Seaside as "the
> heretical web framework" because of talks I've given at O'Reilly
> conferences.  So, now that I think of it, having a slogan around
> heresy seems like a great idea.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
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[William Harford]

On Jul 12, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Richard Eng wrote:

> Well, if branding based on this word is already well-known, then I  
> guess
> it's okay. I'm not Catholic (I'm agnostic), but "heretic" always  
> conjures up
> images of the authorities stoning you or beating you into  
> submission.  :-)

I think that describes the treatment of Seaside developers well :-)

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[Colin Putney]

On Jul 12, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Richard Eng wrote:

> Well, if branding based on this word is already well-known, then I  
> guess
> it's okay. I'm not Catholic (I'm agnostic), but "heretic" always  
> conjures up
> images of the authorities stoning you or beating you into  
> submission.  :-)

Yeah, that's about right. REST-geeks really don't like Seaside.

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[Bryce Kampjes]

Blake writes:
 > > We wouldn't have any trouble getting a book published, either by
 > > O'Reilly or by one of their competitors, if someone had the time,
 > > ability, and desire to write one.
 >
 > Seriously? I haven't done a book in, oh, about a decade, but I'd be  
 > willing to.

A published book on Seaside and Smalltalk would be fantastic.

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