AppFuse project status?

[Gary White]

I unfortunately have been out of full-time development for a couple of years. I am now leading a big high profile project that is finally reaching a phase which involves significant software development and I'm really stoked about getting back to what I love doing. In my previous stint doing full-time development, I chose AppFuse as the framework (v1.8-1.9 I think w/Spring MVC/Hibernate) and I was a big fan (thank you Matt). I'm now in the position again of choosing a framework and, of course, AppFuse is on my short list. I was somewhat surprised/concerned to see the lack of recent activity (based upon some very quick browsing on my part) so I wanted to touch base to get some idea of where the project stands, where it's going and its long-term viability for the type of project described above. I'm also curious as to the reason(s) for the seeming lack of activity/progress (e.g. lack of committors, lack of or declining interest in the user community, overtaken by other frameworks/solutions etc.). Also, please feel free to severely chastise me (OK not really) if I've mischaracterized the current state of AppFuse. My first cut at the framework short list actually only has 2 contenders, each representing a general approach. One was Grails, which represents a very productive approach that hides some of the complexities of the underlying frameworks but also makes them available in case you need a bit more flexibility (pros) but with the possible downside of more overhead/lower performance/less scalability etc. The other option is of course AppFuse, which exposes all of the raw power/performance of Java and the underlying frameworks but is somewhat less productive and requires a higher skill level than Grails. Would anyone like to comment on the above synopsis and perhaps fill in some of the blanks left by my absence from development as to what attractive options are available? I would greatly appreciate any input, including pointers to other sites where I can do my own research on the pros/cons of these and other options. Regardless, I like to again express my appreciation to Matt (and any other committors) for the contributions you've made and I hope all is well with you. Thanks, Gary P.S. I saw somewhere (maybe it was the 2009 Summer of Code blurb) a couple of requests for incorporating Groovy & GORM. Is that on anyone's radar at all?

[mraible]

The reason that AppFuse developer has stalled is mainly because I
haven't had (or made) the time to work on it. I often have it on my
"todo" list, but it drops to the bottom often because of more
important things. When it was under active development, I used to
spend 20-30 hours a week working on it and while this was great for
the community, it wasn't good for me personally.

I do plan on making a sincere effort to releasing AppFuse 2.1 this
quarter and 3.0 next year, but I also said I'd get 2.1 out this summer
and that never happened.

As far as AppFuse vs. Grails, you might checkout the following blog
post on this subject.

http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/appfuse_vs_grails_vs_rails

Hope this helps,

Matt

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gary White <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I unfortunately have been out of full-time development for a couple of
> years. I am now leading a big high profile project that is finally reaching
> a phase which involves significant software development and I'm really
> stoked about getting back to what I love doing. In my previous stint doing
> full-time development, I chose AppFuse as the framework (v1.8-1.9 I think
> w/Spring MVC/Hibernate) and I was a big fan (thank you Matt). I'm now in the
> position again of choosing a framework and, of course, AppFuse is on my
> short list. I was somewhat surprised/concerned to see the lack of recent
> activity (based upon some very quick browsing on my part) so I wanted to
> touch base to get some idea of where the project stands, where it's going
> and its long-term viability for the type of project described above. I'm
> also curious as to the reason(s) for the seeming lack of activity/progress
> (e.g. lack of committors, lack of or declining interest in the user
> community, overtaken by other frameworks/solutions etc.). Also, please feel
> free to severely chastise me (OK not really) if I've mischaracterized the
> current state of AppFuse. My first cut at the framework short list actually
> only has 2 contenders, each representing a general approach. One was Grails,
> which represents a very productive approach that hides some of the
> complexities of the underlying frameworks but also makes them available in
> case you need a bit more flexibility (pros) but with the possible downside
> of more overhead/lower performance/less scalability etc. The other option is
> of course AppFuse, which exposes all of the raw power/performance of Java
> and the underlying frameworks but is somewhat less productive and requires a
> higher skill level than Grails. Would anyone like to comment on the above
> synopsis and perhaps fill in some of the blanks left by my absence from
> development as to what attractive options are available? I would greatly
> appreciate any input, including pointers to other sites where I can do my
> own research on the pros/cons of these and other options. Regardless, I like
> to again express my appreciation to Matt (and any other committors) for the
> contributions you've made and I hope all is well with you. Thanks, Gary P.S.
> I saw somewhere (maybe it was the 2009 Summer of Code blurb) a couple of
> requests for incorporating Groovy & GORM. Is that on anyone's radar at all?
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> View this message in context: AppFuse project status?
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[Gary White]

Thanks Matt.  I have heard of this thing called a "personal life" and I too hope to experience it one day.

mraible wrote:

The reason that AppFuse developer has stalled is mainly because I
haven't had (or made) the time to work on it. I often have it on my
"todo" list, but it drops to the bottom often because of more
important things. When it was under active development, I used to
spend 20-30 hours a week working on it and while this was great for
the community, it wasn't good for me personally.

I do plan on making a sincere effort to releasing AppFuse 2.1 this
quarter and 3.0 next year, but I also said I'd get 2.1 out this summer
and that never happened.

As far as AppFuse vs. Grails, you might checkout the following blog
post on this subject.

http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/appfuse_vs_grails_vs_rails

Hope this helps,

Matt

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gary White <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I unfortunately have been out of full-time development for a couple of
> years. I am now leading a big high profile project that is finally reaching
> a phase which involves significant software development and I'm really
> stoked about getting back to what I love doing. In my previous stint doing
> full-time development, I chose AppFuse as the framework (v1.8-1.9 I think
> w/Spring MVC/Hibernate) and I was a big fan (thank you Matt). I'm now in the
> position again of choosing a framework and, of course, AppFuse is on my
> short list. I was somewhat surprised/concerned to see the lack of recent
> activity (based upon some very quick browsing on my part) so I wanted to
> touch base to get some idea of where the project stands, where it's going
> and its long-term viability for the type of project described above. I'm
> also curious as to the reason(s) for the seeming lack of activity/progress
> (e.g. lack of committors, lack of or declining interest in the user
> community, overtaken by other frameworks/solutions etc.). Also, please feel
> free to severely chastise me (OK not really) if I've mischaracterized the
> current state of AppFuse. My first cut at the framework short list actually
> only has 2 contenders, each representing a general approach. One was Grails,
> which represents a very productive approach that hides some of the
> complexities of the underlying frameworks but also makes them available in
> case you need a bit more flexibility (pros) but with the possible downside
> of more overhead/lower performance/less scalability etc. The other option is
> of course AppFuse, which exposes all of the raw power/performance of Java
> and the underlying frameworks but is somewhat less productive and requires a
> higher skill level than Grails. Would anyone like to comment on the above
> synopsis and perhaps fill in some of the blanks left by my absence from
> development as to what attractive options are available? I would greatly
> appreciate any input, including pointers to other sites where I can do my
> own research on the pros/cons of these and other options. Regardless, I like
> to again express my appreciation to Matt (and any other committors) for the
> contributions you've made and I hope all is well with you. Thanks, Gary P.S.
> I saw somewhere (maybe it was the 2009 Summer of Code blurb) a couple of
> requests for incorporating Groovy & GORM. Is that on anyone's radar at all?
> ________________________________
> View this message in context: AppFuse project status?
> Sent from the AppFuse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

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