Champs Elysées 365visit

[Thomas Demolliens]

You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to the official website of Champs Elysées in Paris: www.champselysees.org/365visit
In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel Donzel (CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS postproduction as the weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology to get the walktrough effect.
Your opinion?
Thomas (www.immersium.fr)

[bigwade]

Thomas Demolliens wrote:

Your opinion?
Thomas (www.immersium.fr)

IMHO, If this is a Champs Elysées and/or Paris promotion, you missed the point..(closed shops, hardly people, empty restaurants etc. )

[Sacha Griffin]

The processing apparently appears to be trying to be the latest in capturing
dynamic range at the unfortunate expense of being just unpleasant.

 

And something crashed my firefox.

The interface was ok, could be better. Gmaps, has a more intuitive one.

I do agree with big wade, the subject certainly could have been more
interesting.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Thomas Demolliens
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:42 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Champs Elysées 365visit

 






You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to the
official website of Champs Elysées in Paris: www.champselysees.org/365visit
In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel Donzel
(CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS postproduction as the
weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology to get the walktrough effect.
Your opinion?
Thomas (www.immersium.fr)





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[Thomas Demolliens]

> The processing apparently appears to be trying to be the latest in capturing dynamic range at the unfortunate expense of being just unpleasant.

What do you mean by unpleasant? The experience itself? The quality?
Just trying to understand to do better next time...

> And something crashed my firefox.

Ok, will look into that.
 
> The interface was ok, could be better. Gmaps, has a more intuitive one.

The map interface was done in "hard coding" by my client.

[Thomas Demolliens]

> IMHO, If this is a Champs Elysées and/or Paris promotion, you missed the point..(closed shops, hardly people, empty restuarants etc. )

The idea was to show a day at Champs Elysées, hence first sections done early with few people, but some sections were really crowded at lundh time for example.
You really find this virtual tour so bad?

[Hans-74]

--- In [hidden email], "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...> wrote:
>
> You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to the official website of Champs Elysées in Paris: www.champselysees.org/365visit
> In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel Donzel (CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS postproduction as the weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology to get the walktrough effect.
> Your opinion?
> Thomas (www.immersium.fr)
>


I was waiting and waiting for the loading bar to finish so that I could see the real panorama not the preview.
But it did not get better and i finally became clear of that this was what I could see.

Ok thats it but what the heck do you supply a fullscreen button for to see this crap.

The colors are awful and I have to say I postponed my plans to visit Paris again as this is definetily not an inspiration. London next.
Come on we are in 2009 not 1999.

Hans
panoramas.dk

[Thomas Demolliens]

 
> I was waiting and waiting for the loading bar to finish so that I could see the real panorama not the preview.
> But it did not get better and i finally became clear of that this was what I could see.

Have you seen the high res button? The default is the low rez.

> Ok thats it but what the heck do you supply a fullscreen button for to see this crap.
>
> The colors are awful and I have to say I postponed my plans to visit Paris again as this is definetily not an inspiration. London next.
> Come on we are in 2009 not 1999.

:(

[Sacha Griffin]

Just the hdr processing. If you over-do it , everything looks really flat.

However, it is a strength to take strong criticism and learn from it.

I for one, most surely started out producing “crap” as said in the words of
Hans.

360 virtual tours are difficult without any focus. Nothing here has a focus,
it’s a hodgepodge of people and buildings and we are just in the midst.

If it was a archaeological dig, we could walk around something, or a museum
or large object. We could inspect new things from each angle.

Nothing really draws the attention, and the viewer quickly becomes bored.

A virtual tour shopping walk isn’t much. But at least there is no wife
quickly draining your credit.

For each shot, you have to ask yourself, what useful information am I
providing to the viewer?

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

GMAIL IM: [hidden email]

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Thomas Demolliens
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysées 365visit






> The processing apparently appears to be trying to be the latest in
capturing dynamic range at the unfortunate expense of being just unpleasant.

What do you mean by unpleasant? The experience itself? The quality?
Just trying to understand to do better next time...

> And something crashed my firefox.

Ok, will look into that.

> The interface was ok, could be better. Gmaps, has a more intuitive one.

The map interface was done in "hard coding" by my client.



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[Thomas Demolliens]

> However, it is a strength to take strong criticism and learn from it.

Criticism is what I had expected because it is a way to improve yourself. No doubt. But the work has to be respected as well as the people who produced it. No point making people feel like shit.

> 360 virtual tours are difficult without any focus. Nothing here has a focus, t's a hodgepodge of people and buildings and we are just in the midst.

That's the point, my client did not want a regular virtual tour but something different where you are immerged in the Champs Elysées, right in the middle of the crowd, as if you were there.

> A virtual tour shopping walk isn't much. But at least there is no wife quickly draining your credit.

:)

[Andrew G-6]

Trying my best not to offend the regular posters here in this group ;-) but it's not exactly made up of your average people that surf the internet in search of information.

I showed the demo to my wife who really does not have an interest in over the top web content and she thought it was fine and lets you see what you wanted to see, and is a lot better than just regular pictures.

One thing I've noticed is that if everyone stuck to the 'rules' that seem to come across in this newsgroup nothing would ever get done and put up live online. People outside this Newsgroup don't have such massive expectations. Flame me all you want but it's true.  

If the clients happy with it and you got paid, nice one. Well done Thomas and hope you get more work covering other areas.

Andrew







--- In [hidden email], "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...> wrote:

>
>  
> > I was waiting and waiting for the loading bar to finish so that I could see the real panorama not the preview.
> > But it did not get better and i finally became clear of that this was what I could see.
>
> Have you seen the high res button? The default is the low rez.
>
> > Ok thats it but what the heck do you supply a fullscreen button for to see this crap.
> >
> > The colors are awful and I have to say I postponed my plans to visit Paris again as this is definetily not an inspiration. London next.
> > Come on we are in 2009 not 1999.
>
> :(
>

[bigwade]

Thomas Demolliens wrote:

> IMHO, If this is a Champs Elysées and/or Paris promotion, you missed the point..(closed shops, hardly people, empty restuarants etc. )
The idea was to show a day at Champs Elysées, hence first sections done early with few people, but some sections were really crowded at lundh time for example.
You really find this virtual tour so bad?

Yep, but I was just talking about content and not the technical stuff.
(tried a different approach, haha)
Yes it is bad......The colors etc... it's looking cheap.
No idea how they get such "quality" from this Seitz..
That plus an "empty, not living" Champs Elysée is the problem.
If you create this to generate business from the Champs Elysée shop/restaurant/hotel owners you will be very disappointed.
And I agree this promotion is not an inspiration to visit Paris...
(but there are others:-))

[Thomas Demolliens]

Thanks Andrew for your input, your wife is the exact target of this
virtual walkthrough that is NOT aimed at pleasing the regular posters of
this group, but regular average people in search of information
displayed in a different way as usual.
I'm also glad that I'm not the only one to think outside the box, who do
not follow the rules of the establishment and try to propose something
different.
Criticism is fine, when not offending...

--- In [hidden email], "Andrew" <conanthedestroya222@...>
wrote:
>
> Trying my best not to offend the regular posters here in this group
;-) but it's not exactly made up of your average people that surf the
internet in search of information.
>
> I showed the demo to my wife who really does not have an interest in
over the top web content and she thought it was fine and lets you see
what you wanted to see, and is a lot better than just regular pictures.
>
> One thing I've noticed is that if everyone stuck to the 'rules' that
seem to come across in this newsgroup nothing would ever get done and
put up live online. People outside this Newsgroup don't have such
massive expectations. Flame me all you want but it's true.
>
> If the clients happy with it and you got paid, nice one. Well done
Thomas and hope you get more work covering other areas.
>
> Andrew

[Sacha Griffin]

I didn’t mean to infer this was crap, just that I most certainly started out
at the bottom.

I think with a better subject and more normal processing you can produce
something great here.

For instance, it would have been cool to go “inside” one of the shops, and
have decision branches.

 

Most walkthroughs like this I have seen, have either been proof of concept
junk, “people walking up and down stairs”, or a hard to use and very slow
walkthrough of a hotel.

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

GMAIL IM: [hidden email]

404-551-4275

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Thomas Demolliens
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysées 365visit

 






> However, it is a strength to take strong criticism and learn from it.

Criticism is what I had expected because it is a way to improve yourself. No
doubt. But the work has to be respected as well as the people who produced
it. No point making people feel like shit.

> 360 virtual tours are difficult without any focus. Nothing here has a
focus, t's a hodgepodge of people and buildings and we are just in the
midst.

That's the point, my client did not want a regular virtual tour but
something different where you are immerged in the Champs Elysées, right in
the middle of the crowd, as if you were there.

> A virtual tour shopping walk isn't much. But at least there is no wife
quickly draining your credit.

:)





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[Thomas Demolliens]

> For instance, it would have been cool to go "inside" one of
the shops, and have decision branches.
>
I do agree with you, that's the next step once the player is hotspot
enabled (under development).
You can actually see a Toyota showroom located on the Champs on my
website <http://www.immersium.fr/visites_virtuelles.php> .
Hope it can soon be added up to the main walk.



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[Sacha Griffin]

The car show room is MUCH! better and more interesting, add a high
resolution progressive loader so that full screen is worth someone’s time
and it would be great.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

GMAIL IM: [hidden email]

404-551-4275

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Thomas Demolliens
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:18 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysées 365visit

 






> For instance, it would have been cool to go "inside" one of
the shops, and have decision branches.
>
I do agree with you, that's the next step once the player is hotspot
enabled (under development).
You can actually see a Toyota showroom located on the Champs on my
website <http://www.immersium.fr/visites_virtuelles.php> .
Hope it can soon be added up to the main walk.

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[Thomas Demolliens]

> The car show room is MUCH! better and more interesting, add a high
> resolution progressive loader so that full screen is worth
someone's time
> and it would be great.

Thank you! Have you noticed the drop down menu on the top right corner.
You can actually select "version HD" to get higher resolution version.

[yuval_levy-2]

--- In [hidden email], "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...> wrote:
> Your opinion?

obviously a tentative hybrid between video and photo. unfortunately I have little positive feedback. IMO it combines the worse of both world.

1000 pictures = each picture is irrelevant
1000 frames in a movie = not enough (and becomes painfully apparent when using the scroll widget on the right side to go up and down).

pictures usually download in a few seconds. movies usually start streaming after a few seconds. this... I had to wait, and wait, and wait. The Lucid viewer (with properly remastered content) would be much better for the task IMO.

others have already commented about the image quality.

the positive feedback? it works on my 1.6 GHz Linux notebook, so it probably works everywhere if the user is patient enough to wait for the download.

Yuv

[Erik Krause]

bigwade wrote:

> Yes it is bad......The colors etc... it's looking cheap.
> No idea how they get such "quality" from this Seitz..

I assume the Seitz delivers perfect images. It is badly used HDR
compression, which causes this colors. I suggest using exposure fusion
instead of HDR tonemapping to get a more natural look.

However, tufuse Pro can do this auto bracketing from RAW images (using
dcraw): http://www.tawbaware.com/tufusepro.htm
If I'm correct the Seitz (or the associated software) can deliver EXR
images. For such HDR images it would be needed to script the extraction.
(Someone had a ready solution IIRC)

Even Photomatix can do better if the parameters are tweaked a bit.

best regards
--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

[RobLee]

when I execute tufuse it just write something in DOS and disappers. nothing on screen to work with.
what am I doing wrong?

--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Erik Krause <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Erik Krause <[hidden email]>
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysees 365visit
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:11 AM











   
           
           


     
      bigwade wrote:



> Yes it is bad......The colors etc... it's looking cheap.

> No idea how they get such "quality" from this Seitz..



I assume the Seitz delivers perfect images. It is badly used HDR

compression, which causes this colors. I suggest using exposure fusion

instead of HDR tonemapping to get a more natural look.



However, tufuse Pro can do this auto bracketing from RAW images (using

dcraw): http://www.tawbawar e.com/tufusepro. htm

If I'm correct the Seitz (or the associated software) can deliver EXR

images. For such HDR images it would be needed to script the extraction.

(Someone had a ready solution IIRC)



Even Photomatix can do better if the parameters are tweaked a bit.



best regards

--

Erik Krause

http://www.erik- krause.de


 

     

   
   
       
         
       
       








       


       
       


     

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[Sacha Griffin]

Yes, I did that. But for fullscreen I would expect even further resolution.
As is, for current $200-300 lcds, they are huge, and when showing small
resolution, it ends up looking blurry and hard to enjoy.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

GMAIL IM: [hidden email]

404-551-4275

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Thomas Demolliens
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:22 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysées 365visit

 






> The car show room is MUCH! better and more interesting, add a high
> resolution progressive loader so that full screen is worth
someone's time
> and it would be great.

Thank you! Have you noticed the drop down menu on the top right corner.
You can actually select "version HD" to get higher resolution version.





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