Champs Elysées 365visit

[Erik Krause]

RobLee wrote:

> when I execute tufuse it just write something in DOS and disappers.
> nothing on screen to work with.
> what am I doing wrong?

It's a command line program. Open a windows command shell and execute it
from there. The usage is described on http://www.tawbaware.com/tufuse.htm

Or use tufuse pro, which essentially is a GUI for tufuse:
http://www.tawbaware.com/tufusepro.htm

best regards
--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

[Ingemar Bergmark]

--- In [hidden email], "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...>

> wrote:
>
> You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to
> the official website of Champs Elys�es in Paris:
> www.champselysees.org/365visit
> In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel
> Donzel (CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS
> postproduction as the weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology
> to get the walktrough effect.
> Your opinion?
> Thomas (www.immersium.fr)
>

Hi Thomas,

Some feedback from my part of the world...
The hi-res button doesn't work in IE8 on my machine (I'm using Windows 7 RC though). Firefox works fine.
The resolution in hi-res is OK for the small window on the web-page, and in my opinion hi-res should be the default setting.
For full-screen panoramas you need to provide much higher resolution. For me it would be better the remove the fullscreen option until higher resolution can be provided.
Unfortunately even the "HD" version you have of the Car showroom is not nearly good enough for fullscreen.

The loading speed for the panos range from 20-60 seconds each.

You have some unsightly vertical flare issues when in direct sunlight, and you also have a highly visible seam at the -180/180 border in many panos.

Sorry for the negative feedback, but these are the things that bother me the most...

/ Ingemar
http://panoramas.bergmark.com

[Paul Fretheim]

The color is not the greatest and things jump in and out, the panos look
a lot better than I would expect when you consider that 1000 were shot
in one day.  But if you had this on a kiosk with copies for sale, I am
afraid not many would buy it.  It did remind me that I love Paris and
made me remember that Paris is the most beautiful city in the world
despite the sort of haphazard production values.

One problem is that you see a beautiful woman and then you go up the
street to get a better view and all you see is pigeons or a group of
motorcycles.

I think there is potential for such a product, but the quality will
never be very good if you try and do it in one day.

I have a product that is nearly ready for release that I have been
working on for 5 years and it only has 300 panoramas.

Paul Fretheim

[RobLee]

thank you for your reply
how come I get watermark "tufuse" all over my image

--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Erik Krause <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Erik Krause <[hidden email]>
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysees 365visit
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 11:33 AM











   
           
           


     
      RobLee wrote:



> when I execute tufuse it just write something in DOS and disappers.

> nothing on screen to work with.

> what am I doing wrong?



It's a command line program. Open a windows command shell and execute it

from there. The usage is described on http://www.tawbawar e.com/tufuse. htm



Or use tufuse pro, which essentially is a GUI for tufuse:

http://www.tawbawar e.com/tufusepro. htm



best regards

--

Erik Krause

http://www.erik- krause.de


 

     

   
   
       
         
       
       








       


       
       


     

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[Erik Krause]

RobLee wrote:

> thank you for your reply
> how come I get watermark "tufuse" all over my image

how come you didn't read the page from which you downloaded? ;-)

best regards
--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

[RobLee]

I just didn't bother, sorry

--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Erik Krause <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Erik Krause <[hidden email]>
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Champs Elysees 365visit
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 5:52 PM











   
           
           


     
      RobLee wrote:



> thank you for your reply

> how come I get watermark "tufuse" all over my image



how come you didn't read the page from which you downloaded? ;-)



best regards

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Erik Krause

http://www.erik- krause.de


 

     

   
   
       
         
       
       








       


       
       


     

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[bigwade]

Just curious, what are you going to do with all the criticism, found here. ?
You asked for it

[Wim Koornneef]

Hello Thomas,

Fist the bad part :-(
Others already said a lot about the poor quality of the production so I will not repeat all issues but I have to say 1 thing about it.
Would you be happy if you where the customer, I mean you have your own standards of quality and when you measure your own production are you then really satisfied about it ? I wonder.

Now the good part :-)
With an adapted method for shooting and processing your approach has definitely a big potential, despite all critics I like it a lot.
BTW, I love Paris ;-)
http://www.qtbridge.com/pleinpot/gallery_pleinpot/demo_2/Champs_Elysee.html

Suggestion:
Before continuing I suggest that you fine tune your method but not with a 1000 images over kilometers but with just a couple of dozens over 100 meter and then hopefully you can solve other issues f.e. what to do with the shade of the equipment when shooting in bright daylight.
(I suspect that the images of your tour are shot on purpose on a cloudy day to avoid this issue....)

I like to see a follow up.
Success,

Wim

Thomas Demolliens wrote:

...Your opinion?..

[crane-2]

Quoting Wim Koornneef <[hidden email]>:


> BTW, I love Paris ;-)

When I worked in Paris a long time ago I used to stay at the Tim Hotel in Place
Emile Goudeau, I would request the little room at the top on the corner of the
roof. It had a fantastic view. the Sacre Coeur out of one window and the
rooftops and the tower out of another. I didn't know about 360VR photographs
then. if I go back I'll probably do one, unless somebody who is there wants to
go and do it ;-)

regards

mick

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[Thomas Demolliens]

> Just curious, what are you going to do with all the criticism, found
here. ?
> You asked for it
>
Yes I asked for it and got it big time.
I found some critism but also some encouragement.
I agree with some of your points (HDR rendering not natural for
example), but also disagree with some others as I have followed the
scope of the project defined by my client.
I will probably work on the postprocessing to improve the quality.

[Thomas Demolliens]

Hi Wim,

Thanks for your input and for not emphasizing the bad points that have
been mentioned and repeated a few times.
I do agree with your opinion satisfying a client and satisfying your own
standards are two different things. But as you probably know budgets are
limited these days.. I won't say anymore, everybody will understand.
In terms of equipment I have seen some good things but also some clear
limits (junction 180/180 of the panos, people moving, setup time between
each pano so there is no real continuity etc etc) and it is clear that I
will do the next project with another set equipment (probably an
electric wheelchair with a monopod on top of it and multi-camera
solution).
Now the viewer also have to be improved.
I still do believe there is a very good potential in such immersive walk
as it is different, not a "high class" standard virtual visit with
limited number of shots, not google streetview with difficult
navigation, not immersive video...  somehow I would like to get the best
of all them in my own product.
So yes I will continue to develop the concept, both in terms of setup
and viewing experience.

Cheers,
Thomas


--- In [hidden email], Wim Koornneef <wim.koornneef@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Fist the bad part :-(
> Others already said a lot about the poor quality of the production so
I will
> not repeat all issues but I have to say 1 thing about it.
> Would you be happy if you where the customer, I mean you have your own
> standards of quality and when you measure your own production are you
then
> really satisfied about it ? I wonder.
>
> Now the good part :-)
> With an adapted method for shooting and processing your approach has
> definitely a big potential, despite all critics I like it a lot.
> BTW, I love Paris ;-)
>
http://www.qtbridge.com/pleinpot/gallery_pleinpot/demo_2/Champs_Elysee.h\
tml
>
> Suggestion:
> Before continuing I suggest that you fine tune your method but not
with a
> 1000 images over kilometers but with just a couple of dozens over 100
meter
> and then hopefully you can solve other issues f.e. what to do with the
shade
> of the equipment when shooting in bright daylight.
> (I suspect that the images of your tour are shot on purpose on a
cloudy day

> to avoid this issue....)
>
> I like to see a follow up.
> Success,
>
> Wim
>
>
> Thomas Demolliens wrote:
> > ...Your opinion?..
>
> --
> View this message in context:

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tml
> Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

[prague]

Ok, everyone else chimed in, I will too :-)

I agree on the quality. It can and should be far better.
But to be cynical, most clients will be more than happy with what we have
here. That's not an excuse to keep it the way it currently is, though :-)

The performance IMO is bad. Way too long to load. It should load 5x faster
and in fullscreen. Maybe it was only my connection, but I don't think it is.

Criticism aside, I think it's cool and I'm happy to see it. But it's not
good enough - make it better - you asked us for criticism and you have it
:-))) (Yes, what will you do now with all this criticism? I'm curious)

good luck and send us more links when you have them.
Jeffrey


Jeffrey Martin
www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
tel. [phone] / skype jeffrey.s.martin


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[Jim Watters]

--- In [hidden email], "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...> wrote:
>
> You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to the official website of Champs Elysées in Paris: www.champselysees.org/365visit
> In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel Donzel (CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS postproduction as the weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology to get the walktrough effect.
> Your opinion?
> Thomas (www.immersium.fr)

[resending 4rd time (this time using web interface), 4 day and post has not shown up]

I have seen the NeuStep viewer before, to show a hotel walkthrough so I was familiar with the interface.
I have a current interest in creating immersive videos, and figuring out how to interact with them.

I found it did not take very long to down load the hi res version, only took a few seconds.  I did interrupt the low res version because I started panning after a second.  But still had have of the frames.

Once you go full screen there are no buttons to get the High res version.
The files are not locally cached, so had to be downloaded each time. The High res version is not high enough.

I did not notice the map for a long time.  I was already familiar with the interface and did not read the instructions.  An overlay with the current position and directions would be best.

The following mostly come from my comments on another list ([1]vrscripting) about another NeuStep project:

As a observer I often want to see what something looks like from a particular spot. The panoramic viewers (or walkthrough) that add hot spots to move the point-of-view to an adjacent location often jumps too much and I no longer have any idea of where I am in relation to the previous location.
- No smooth transition.
- The original direction is not maintained
- It jumps through walls to some other location.

As a creator I to want to be doing the next big thing.

Google Street View is good because the distance to the next node is predictable. There is a nice zoom effect that reflects the the next
location that does not force the viewer to be pointing in the direction they must travel. There are choices at each intersection. The nadir is filled in with an image taken from an adjacent location. It could all be improved. Better resolution. Less parallax in there camera setup. More nodes. They need to reverse the mouse movements to first person style! (Question posted to Google Maps Feature Requests/Suggestion forum.)

Google's most recent improvements to Street View has implemented semi-3D "Smart Navigation," which makes your virtual walking a lot easier

Google's new Smart Navigation system has your cursor mapped on a rough
3D model of the scene, with a convincing sense of depth. Just click
where you want to go, and Street View takes you there, making the
transition with an unexpectedly convincing pseudo-3D effect.

http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-smart-navigation-in-street.html

Showing Champs Elysées in Paris
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Champs+Elys%C3%A9es+Paris&mrt=kmlkmz&sll=51.532101,-0.177391&sspn=0,359.991535&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=48.869217,2.309345&panoid=DW-JGEaiWzT1TW-0Q5zBQg&cbp=12,227.81,,0,-2.72&ll=48.869097,2.309757&spn=0,359.987447&z=17>
or
http://tinyurl.com/kl8dtr

If there is only a forward or backward movement, then
http://www.neustep.com/ is ok. The gray line indicating the direction
helps but I would prefer a physical line on the floor showing the
entire  path. The scale on  the side give no indication of the position of the camera.  Google Street View is much more intuitive.

Why limit the view to only yaw and rotate; there are many more degrees
of freedom to explore.


[1]vrscripting   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vrscripting/

--
Jim Watters

jwatters @ photocreations . ca
http://photocreations.ca

[Thomas Demolliens]

Thanks Jim for your interesting answer. I do not quite agree with the
Google Streetview navigation, I find it quite messy, difficult to
understand and not very intuitive. But it's true that there are many
predictables nodes which is really a plus.