Elevated pano help

[Eduardo Hutter]

You could use a light stand, something like http://tinyurl.com/n9o43f

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* Robert Slade wrote, On 30/06/2009 4:38 PM:
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>  I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would
>  the pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow
>  shutter speed?
>
>  A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with
>  the image.
>
>  A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
>  without any safety rails.
>
>  I'd be grateful for any suggestions!

[Robert Slade]

Hello,

I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks are
at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
above the ground.

I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would the
pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter speed?

A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
image.

A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
without any safety rails.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions!

Regards,
Robert

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

[AYRTON - avi]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Robert Slade
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hello,
> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks are
> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> above the ground.
> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would the
> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter speed?


I did this one at 7.5 meters high
It's a light stand that I adapt a home made pole solution  :-)
light was very low.

<http://digg.com/u17FTp>

best
AYRTON

>
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> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
> image.
>
> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
> without any safety rails.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Slade, Photographer
> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
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[Sacha Griffin]

You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move the cherry
picker around your nadir.

I've done this with a fork lift to success.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

GMAIL IM: [hidden email]

404-551-4275

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
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Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help

 






Hello,

I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks are
at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
above the ground.

I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would the
pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter speed?

A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
image.

A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
without any safety rails.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions!

Regards,
Robert

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com





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[crane-2]

Quoting Sacha Griffin <[hidden email]>:

> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move the cherry
> picker around your nadir.
>
> I've done this with a fork lift to success.

Why am I thinking of Ripley ?

mick

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[Willy Kaemena-2]

Some ideas :

here from a Cherry Picker kind of platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/

or from a Cam boom
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Photokina/Cambo

or simply a monopod tripod combo
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Bremen/MarktLichtshow3/

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal



On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:

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>
> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move  
> the cherry
> picker around your nadir.
>
> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
>
> Sacha Griffin
>
> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
>
> http://www.southern-digital.com
>
> http://www.seeit360.net
>
> GMAIL IM: [hidden email]
>
> 404-551-4275
>
> From: [hidden email]  
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Robert Slade
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks  
> are
> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> above the ground.
>
> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would  
> the
> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter  
> speed?
>
> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
> image.
>
> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
> without any safety rails.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Slade, Photographer
> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
>
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[onezebra1]

Try something like this Impact Heavy Duty Light Stand.
Here's the link showing it a B&H Photo.
http://tinyurl.com/stand22

You could also rent one that's bigger and stronger if needed.

The clamp on the lowest section I would leave loose and clamp a clamp above it after extending the tube, this way it would be free to rotate with your camera on top.  

Roger Berry
http://IndiaVRtours.com

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> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:
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> > You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move  
> > the cherry
> > picker around your nadir.
> >
> > I've done this with a fork lift to success.
> >
> > Sacha Griffin
> >
> > Southern Digital Solutions LLC
> >
> > http://www.southern-digital.com
> >
> > http://www.seeit360.net
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> > GMAIL IM: sachagriffin007@...
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> > 404-551-4275
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> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Slade
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> > assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> > assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks  
> > are
> > at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> > above the ground.
> >
> > I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would  
> > the
> > pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter  
> > speed?
> >
> > A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
> > image.
> >
> > A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
> > without any safety rails.
> >
> > I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert
> >
> > --
> > Robert Slade, Photographer
> > Manor Photography 07890 564889
> > http://www.manor-photography.com
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[Robert Slade]

Hi Willy,

Thanks for the links - stunning panoramics!

I've made a 3m pole from a lighting stand and centre column tripod.
Haven't tried it yet, but will give it a test run today.

I am curious about the cherry picker platform. How did you rotatate
about the NPP? Did you move the camera, or the cherry picker?

Best wishes,
Robert
--

Willy Kaemena wrote:

> Some ideas :
>
> here from a Cherry Picker kind of platform
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>
> or from a Cam boom
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Photokina/Cambo
>
> or simply a monopod tripod combo
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Bremen/MarktLichtshow3/
>
> Willy Kaemena
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
> http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
> http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
> http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
> http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal
>
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> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:
>
>>
>> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move  
>> the cherry
>> picker around your nadir.
>>
>> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
>>
>> Sacha Griffin
>>
>> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
>>
>> http://www.southern-digital.com
>>
>> http://www.seeit360.net
>>
>> GMAIL IM: [hidden email]
>>
>> 404-551-4275
>>
>> From: [hidden email]  
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Slade
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
>> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
>> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks  
>> are
>> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
>> above the ground.
>>
>> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would  
>> the
>> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter  
>> speed?
>>
>> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
>> image.
>>
>> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
>> without any safety rails.
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robert
>>
>> --
>> Robert Slade, Photographer
>> Manor Photography 07890 564889
>> http://www.manor-photography.com
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Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

[Willy Kaemena-2]

Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no big  
issue anymore:

here some examples:

at least about 15m off NPP  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
see the platform  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/

and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>
Making some shots from the  guard-rail around the platform.


or here http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Berkeley2007/Campanile/
and the corresponding platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Berkeley2007/Campanile3/


So don't worry about NPP when in  heights . This is also  valid from  
a  3 m pole  a little bit swaying makes no big difference.

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html



On Jul 2, 2009, at 8:57, Robert Slade wrote:

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>
> Hi Willy,
>
> Thanks for the links - stunning panoramics!
>
> I've made a 3m pole from a lighting stand and centre column tripod.
> Haven't tried it yet, but will give it a test run today.
>
> I am curious about the cherry picker platform. How did you rotatate
> about the NPP? Did you move the camera, or the cherry picker?
>
> Best wishes,
> Robert
> --
>
> Willy Kaemena wrote:
> > Some ideas :
> >
> > here from a Cherry Picker kind of platform
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
> >
> > or from a Cam boom
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Photokina/Cambo
> >
> > or simply a monopod tripod combo
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Bremen/MarktLichtshow3/
> >
> > Willy Kaemena
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> > http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
> > http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
> > http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
> > http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
> > http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move
> >> the cherry
> >> picker around your nadir.
> >>
> >> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
> >>
> >> Sacha Griffin
> >>
> >> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
> >>
> >> http://www.southern-digital.com
> >>
> >> http://www.seeit360.net
> >>
> >> GMAIL IM: [hidden email]
> >>
> >> 404-551-4275
> >>
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> >> Behalf Of Robert Slade
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> >> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> >> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks
> >> are
> >> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> >> above the ground.
> >>
> >> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would
> >> the
> >> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter
> >> speed?
> >>
> >> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere  
> with the
> >> image.
> >>
> >> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to  
> stand on
> >> without any safety rails.
> >>
> >> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robert Slade, Photographer
> >> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> >> http://www.manor-photography.com
> >>
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> Robert Slade, Photographer
> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
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Willy Kaemena
[phone] 2935
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal











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[Robert Slade]

Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position further
away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never shot a
pano under these conditions before.

That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?

Regards,
Rob
--

Willy Kaemena wrote:

> Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no big  
> issue anymore:
>
> here some examples:
>
> at least about 15m off NPP  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
> see the platform  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
>
> and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
>> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>>
> Making some shots from the  guard-rail around the platform.

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

[Willy Kaemena-2]

noooo  taken from here:  > see the platform http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/


On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:

> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position  
> further
> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never  
> shot a
> pano under these conditions before.
>
> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
> --
>
> Willy Kaemena wrote:
> > Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no  
> big
> > issue anymore:
> >
> > here some examples:
> >
> > at least about 15m off NPP http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
> > see the platform http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
> >
> > and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
> >> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
> >>
> > Making some shots from the guard-rail around the platform.

Willy Kaemena























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[Robert Slade]

Willy Kaemena wrote:

> noooo  taken from here:  > see the platform http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/

Hi Willy - sorry, didn't make the connection between the two links
initially.

That must be you in the platform pano? What big hands you have! ;-)

Regards,
Rob
--

> On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:
>
>> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position  
>> further
>> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never  
>> shot a
>> pano under these conditions before.
>>
>> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>> --

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

[Willy Kaemena-2]

transplanted hands..,..


On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:53, Robert Slade wrote:

>
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> Willy Kaemena wrote:
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> > noooo taken from here: > see the platform http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
>
> Hi Willy - sorry, didn't make the connection between the two links
> initially.
>
> That must be you in the platform pano? What big hands you have! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob
> --
>
> > On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position
> >> further
> >> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never
> >> shot a
> >> pano under these conditions before.
> >>
> >> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a  
> helicopter?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rob
> >> --
>
> --
> Robert Slade, Photographer
> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
>
>

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[Robert Slade]

Thanks all for the help on this. I've made a 3m pole from a lighting
stand and a centre column tripod. It has a very stable base with the
tripod legs spread, but the top sways around a lot and takes a long time
(minutes) to settle down.

It will be fine for indoor use with no breeze. But outdoors could be
more of a problem! Any hints on how to dampen down the swaying?

Many thanks,
Robert
--

Sacha Griffin wrote:

> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move the cherry
> picker around your nadir.
>
> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Sacha Griffin
>
> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
>
> http://www.southern-digital.com
>
> http://www.seeit360.net
>
> GMAIL IM: [hidden email]
>
> 404-551-4275
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Robert Slade
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks are
> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> above the ground.
>
> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would the
> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter speed?
>
> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
> image.
>
> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
> without any safety rails.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

[Eduardo Hutter]

>  Thanks all for the help on this. I've made a 3m pole from a lighting
>  stand and a centre column tripod.

Which stand did you get Robert? Could you get us a picture of your gear?

>  It will be fine for indoor use with no breeze. But outdoors could be
>  more of a problem! Any hints on how to dampen down the swaying?

Manfrotto also has a "super high camera stand" going up to 7.3 mt (24')
which has wind-bracings. You could easily craft something similar to
hook up some lines (fishing-lines maybe?) to be fixed to...  hmm...  
indoors eh?  I guess the factory manager won't like to see you drilling
holes on his floor. :)

http://tinyurl.com/l8ztx2 -> check the detailed view  from the top

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[Pat Swovelin-2]

On 7/2/2009 7:20 AM, Eduardo Hutter's hamster got loose on the keyboard
and typed ...:

>> Thanks all for the help on this. I've made a 3m pole from a lighting
>> stand and a centre column tripod.
>
> Which stand did you get Robert? Could you get us a picture of your gear?
>
>> It will be fine for indoor use with no breeze. But outdoors could be
>> more of a problem! Any hints on how to dampen down the swaying?
>
> Manfrotto also has a "super high camera stand" going up to 7.3 mt (24')
> which has wind-bracings. You could easily craft something similar to
> hook up some lines (fishing-lines maybe?) to be fixed to... hmm...
> indoors eh? I guess the factory manager won't like to see you drilling
> holes on his floor. :)

Use shot bags or small sand bags (shot bags are better on a weight to
volume basis).

> http://tinyurl.com/l8ztx2 -> check the detailed view from the top
>
> E




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

[Robert Slade]

Thanks Eduardo, my stand is very similar to the Manfrotto 7.3m version
except it is only 3m in maximum height. This is enough for my application.

It wasn't very steady at maximum elevation, so I dismantled the lower
column and inserted it into a Manfrotto centre column tripod. Now it has
three very stable legs (about 5ft high when spread) and another (approx)
2.5m above this.

Since it's a one off job, and indoors, I will probably just wait for the
swaying motion to die down before releasing the shutter (using Canon
LC-4 remote control).

Regards,
Rob
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Eduardo Hutter wrote:

>>  Thanks all for the help on this. I've made a 3m pole from a lighting
>>  stand and a centre column tripod.
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> Which stand did you get Robert? Could you get us a picture of your gear?
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>>  It will be fine for indoor use with no breeze. But outdoors could be
>>  more of a problem! Any hints on how to dampen down the swaying?
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> Manfrotto also has a "super high camera stand" going up to 7.3 mt (24')
> which has wind-bracings. You could easily craft something similar to
> hook up some lines (fishing-lines maybe?) to be fixed to...  hmm...  
> indoors eh?  I guess the factory manager won't like to see you drilling
> holes on his floor. :)
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> http://tinyurl.com/l8ztx2 -> check the detailed view  from the top
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> E
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