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> On 11 Nov 2009 at 9:24, Bob Rice wrote:
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>> Don't feel bad, STILL waiting for Bob Aronson's Tri-Polar Lead Acid
>> badd-ery! Longer than most Listers have been ALIVE!
>
> Yeah, it's been a while. I first read about the "tri-polar lead cobalt
> battery" in 1971, when I also read about his EFP Voltair EV with the fuel
> cell range extender that I'd be able to buy "soon." Heck, I've only been
> waiting for GM to build that electric Chevette since 1978.
>
> I don't know about the value of the cobalt, but I do recall that Aronson
> put
> cell interconnectors in the bottom of the battery, figuring that the heat
> convection resulting (I guess they were undersized) would help destratify
> the electrolyte. Not a bad idea, though I wonder if sealing them
> sufficiently where they passed between cells wouldn't have been quite a
> task.
Hi Dave an' EVerybody;
The Tri-polar setup was a connecter type busbars UNDER the plates, as well
as the traditional ONE on top, not an issue of sealing between the plates. A
pain in the ass to asemble, but they COULD pass fearsome amps! This is my
argument with modern crappy golf cart badd-eries. You blow one up, er, take
it apart, and find the wimpy little round intercell connecters, oh, well
UNDER 1/2"round ones!Well, THEIR market is golf carts designed to operate in
the 75 amp range, Rod Wilde's excepted! EV CARS isn't what they had in mind;
300-400 amp launches 250 amp, 75 mph cruising, etc. One of Bob's 6 volt
"Martian" ones could churn out 300 amps for 27 minutes!I THINK they were the
tall floor sweaper size?Weighed 100 lbs EA! This put the bug in Bob to build
EV's thousands of years ago! Well actually the early 60's, back when I was
serving in Uncle Sams Army, as Viet Nam was heating up.
Aronson WAS onto something; His "Martian" battery, 6 volter, we called it
that because it was what he used in the Mars2 car. Seems to be alota
celestial stuff here, we have Saturns, thankfully NO Uranus's?Anyhow these
went into his 40 or so Renault conversions; Think 1800 lb car with ONE TON
of batteries, the origional Lead Sled! In that the poor old Renault didn't
just collapse, is a tribute to French Auto Engineering!!Of couse he got
great range!Bob's forte, LONG before Rich Rudman, was FAST charging. On
board the Renault was a I.R. power supply that took 240, 3 faze IN and
cranked out 200-300 AMPS into the battery!!He cooked up a deal with Holiday
Inns to set up carports round back, at the power service drop, using, I
SWEAR, the same connecters Amtrak later adapted for E power between coaches,
to locomotives, AFTER getting away from Steam Heat. Gone was the romantic
wisps of steam around trains in the station in the night, and the lonesome
moan of the steam whistle! SOOO Bob could charge Renault in 45 minutes! His
setup was; Detoilet, AnnArbor, Jackson, Kalamazoo zoo zoo, to quote the
song, South Bend Ind. and Chicago. IF I missed any, my apologies to their
Chamber of Commerses!They were 40-60 miles apart, it was a sorta sport" to
SKIP one to see IF ya could make it to the more distant one!It WAS a long
afternoon driving from Detoilet to Chicago!I mean HOW much coffee can ya
drink or food ya can EAT!??Ya brought a book!
Yur EFP history minute.
> Bob Aronson is one of the pioneers of the EV world, but I don't know how
> he
> keeps going when (as far as I can tell) except for the Mars Electrics he's
> never actually sold anything but one-off conversions. (I think Bob
> originally converted Roland's EV.) Maybe he's independently wealthy and
> can
> afford to keep tinkering.
Oh THAT he is. Chatted with him a few months ago. He MUST be as old as
Methulous, by now. His kid, Doug, is in cahoots with him, nowadaze.Too bad
he couldn't throw some money at Lee Hart, and have a working prototype?For
somebody who has produced a few MORE cars than, Hell? NOT that many?He has
lived quite nicely?40 YEARS and no cars? Well, he built a few AFTER I left,
these Titanic 7000lb cars, like Roland keeps, somehow, alive. I answered
Bob, Beaumont's swan song for lightweight EV's and we went off the shallow,
er, deep end with the Citi-Car, which, is fun to see has quite a cult
following, like Electracs!"Beau" got it right the SECOND try, with the
Tropica, but ran out of money, too soon? The Feds stimulous money coulda
helped, nowadaze? IF I coulda been the guy to hand it out, rather than
General Murders getting it,sigh!? Some for Beau, some for Lee an' Jerry,
Wayne at EV Bleu,Aptera, Myers Motors. Oh! I could spend like a politition!
> Bob must be gettin' up in years there, like all of us. Wonder if he'll
> ever
> retire.
Hmmm? WHICH Bob? I resemble that?? Retire? Like Hell! Never been busier!
How did I find time to fly Amtrak's finest!? You have to have a PURPOSE in
life!!As one of my bumper stickers sez" Protest is the most serious form of
patriotism" I'll go with that. As well as "What World are we leaving our
Grandchildren?Two, and counting, Gees! they are cute!Puts a sorta different
spin on stuff? The EAA meetings , it brings like minded folks into my warped
world<g>?We learn, share, have fun, over good food and drink.Oh yeah, THIS
Sat. at my place, seeya here?
>> IF I can find ANOTHER "Boycott OPEC Use Electric Fuel" sticker ...
>
> If you can't, there are now several operations on the web which will make
> custom stickers for you. Just upload your artwork. With many of them you
> can even make a simple sticker right there on the website, with various
> stock backgrounds and text you type in.
Yeah! I've scene those! Gotta come up with MORE stickers. I like;
"Electric cars, First and Last Cars!" But I think it would go right by MOST
sheeple as they are totally clueless that there were MORE EV's than gassers
in the Pre-Ford, Titanic era?I'm SURE there were city folks thap planned to
pick up their loved ones from the Titanic's pier, when she arrived in NYC,
in their electrics, or you could CAB electrically, over to Penn Station
(still there!) for yur Pennsy E- ride to Philly or DC, but NOT all electric
til 1938!? but Titanic will arrive, BEFORE Crapsler and General Murders
builds EV's!Ford? Well MAYBE?? As usual ,our Oriental friends will eat our
lunch AGAIN, I feel, with EVeryman's electric? Prove me wong, er, Wrong?!
Seeya
Bob Rice -Killingworth, CT (where the hell is THAT?) USA.
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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