MY EV experience so far

[hazemsedra]

First of all, thank you guys for taking the time to help me with your
insightful comments regarding my continously running vacuum pump.
I couldn't believe all the help I got..it needs a new valve starter switch and my beloved EV
should be back on the road soon.

I bought my converted 85 Ford escort approximately 1 month ago with a lot of trepidation.  I am in the middle of northwest minnesota in a small town, I don't have a  a mechanical or electrical background as I am in the health care profession, and the closest EV shop is GEM motors in Fargo, three hours from where I live.

However I just knew there must be an alternative out there to gas engines, and there must be something cleaner for our environment...so why havn't we got there with all this incredible technology around us?  Gas prices continued to rise, the recession hit in, GM/Ford execs traveling in planes to congress to beg for our money, and Exxon/Mobil making record profits while our precious environment continues to deteriorate and is in state of unforeseen worrisome changes.

That's when the electric vehicle made absolute sense to me.  However it was a difficult choice, because I knew nothing about taking care of a single battery, and then I was faced with 18 of them, a controller, a charger and now a vacuum pump. Nevertheless after driving it for 500 miles so far, and passing by those dirty gas stations, I discovered a new found freedom!

I think you know what I mean...there is a freedom and an independence that comes with an EV which is just so refreshing. There is a pioneering spirit that comes with it...that you are doing something completely different and unique. It's like the feeling when email and the internet first came on the scene in the early 90's. I was blown away by it, and it
changed how I did things from that moment. Sure I crashed windows 95 several times, didn't know the difference between aol and world wide web, but I stuck with it because I saw the potential and now I can't function at home or at work without the net. Same feelings, reactions, and this excitement about my EV and the possibilities later on. Now, I don't think I can ever return to a gas clunker again!

Thank you guys again for your help and this forum. I wish I can be as optimistic as Bob Rice regarding new battery technology in the near horizon given  the corporate greed of the automotive/oil industry…we will see.

Hazem

[Steven Ciciora]

Congratulations!  I am always most impressed with people who take the plunge on their own, especially ones who "... don't have a mechanical or electrical background...".  I _do_ have a mechanical and electrical background, but was inspired by seeing others around me converting cars to electric.  I can hardly imagine going EV on my own, and can't imagine the guts it would take to just jump in and make the commitment without a local support group.

Way to go!

- Steven Ciciora

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, hazemsedra <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: hazemsedra <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [EVDL]  MY EV experience so far
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:41 AM
>
> First of all, thank you guys for taking the time to help me
> with your
> insightful comments regarding my continously running vacuum
> pump.
> I couldn't believe all the help I got..it needs a new valve
> starter switch
> and my beloved EV
> should be back on the road soon.
>
> I bought my converted 85 Ford escort approximately 1 month
> ago with a lot of
> trepidation.  I am in the middle of northwest
> minnesota in a small town, I
> don't have a  a mechanical or electrical background as
> I am in the health
> care profession, and the closest EV shop is GEM motors in
> Fargo, three hours
> from where I live.
>
> However I just knew there must be an alternative out there
> to gas engines,
> and there must be something cleaner for our
> environment...so why havn't we
> got there with all this incredible technology around
> us?  Gas prices
> continued to rise, the recession hit in, GM/Ford execs
> traveling in planes
> to congress to beg for our money, and Exxon/Mobil making
> record profits
> while our precious environment continues to deteriorate and
> is in state of
> unforeseen worrisome changes.
>
> That's when the electric vehicle made absolute sense to
> me.  However it was
> a difficult choice, because I knew nothing about taking
> care of a single
> battery, and then I was faced with 18 of them, a
> controller, a charger and
> now a vacuum pump. Nevertheless after driving it for 500
> miles so far, and
> passing by those dirty gas stations, I discovered a new
> found freedom!
>
> I think you know what I mean...there is a freedom and an
> independence that
> comes with an EV which is just so refreshing. There is a
> pioneering spirit
> that comes with it...that you are doing something
> completely different and
> unique. It's like the feeling when email and the internet
> first came on the
> scene in the early 90's. I was blown away by it, and it
> changed how I did things from that moment. Sure I crashed
> windows 95 several
> times, didn't know the difference between aol and world
> wide web, but I
> stuck with it because I saw the potential and now I can't
> function at home
> or at work without the net. Same feelings, reactions, and
> this excitement
> about my EV and the possibilities later on. Now, I don't
> think I can ever
> return to a gas clunker again!
>
> Thank you guys again for your help and this forum. I wish I
> can be as
> optimistic as Bob Rice regarding new battery technology in
> the near horizon
> given  the corporate greed of the automotive/oil
> industry…we will see.
>
> Hazem
>
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[gottdi]

This is the local support group! Enough information here to take the  
plunge with or without the EE degrees. It does not take a degree to do  
this you know! Just lots of friend

Pete :)


On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Steven Ciciora wrote:

> without a local support group.

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[Bob Rice-2]

  Hi Hazem;

    Hey! We're all family here, I mean that in a good way; "You choose yur
friends your stuck with your family<g>?"!Is the norm. Sheeple, or friends
don't let friends build an electric car in a rickety garage in Speonk NY or
Surprise AZ, BOTH actual places, without friends, or in OUR case the
"net!"Were here to help. Over 200 of us in all walks of life and places.
Central Connecticut, here.Yur in MN, don't forget we have one of our most
knowledgable guyz on here, Lee Hart, up in Sartell, MN, so it 'ain't a
wasteland of EV stuff..CA and Or are the hotbed of EV activity, although it
is spreading out east. ANOTHER EV was born in my garage last night!! Yup!
Mike and I FINALLY hooked the Curtis controller up so it RAN! Mike has a 20
mile RT for HIS daily run, so a 144 volt '97 S-10 SHOULD do it, and he can
stop off at Home Despot or Blowes for stuff, as needed? For MORE EV stuff
check out the Yahell Groups; the NEDRA one and EVen OURS "NEEAA" New England
Electric Auto Assoc.That's ME and about 30 other guyz into EV's, a "Build it
and they will come" sorta thing. Have club meetings at your home, fixed
date, do show and tell, fill yur yard with EV's we've had a dozen,
here!Electric meter spinnning like a CD player!Good food, company and tech
talk.EV Chapters ARE springing up around the USA, as sheeple get the word,
like YOU have! Great note of introduction ya posted!As you know EV's issues
aren't technical, but political? I can't go into that, or I'll get yelled
at, but I'm SURE you have scene the docu-flik "Who Killed the Electric Car"
You haven't? Go rent/buy it, and report back, but DON'T watch it on a full
stomach!I THINK there is a sequil in the works;After all we have Teslas out
there for you guys with deep pockets or a few oil wells in yur back, or
front yard? But you wouldn't NEED them for yourself, though?Although it IS
easier to clean paint brushes, and sprayers  with gas than electricity!

    Yeah! I GUESS I can be optimistic about badd-eries, I have followed all
this over 40 years, old fart here,the wonderful, all conquoring battery is
just around the corner? The Titanic's coming in Friday, and the US Budget
will be balanced in OUR lifetime. Frankly I'm betting in the Titanic!The
THIRD ship, in their fleet, WAS gunna be called the "Gigantic"But the name
game changed, after the world's most famous boating accident, they let her
go with "Britannic".Sad that we need a national emergency to make stuff
happen, we go from chrisis to chrisis, nowadaze.But Tesla got some money
from the Feds!Waiting for the model "S" to come out, for the rest of us, who
might wanna travel with a Significent Other AND a suitcase or two? Better
times ARE coming, in a EVer changing world. Thanks for joining OURS, you
newbees, out there, too many to mention.This List grew from a few posts a
day to todaze many, in , what, 10 years?Been a fun 10 years?

    Seeya

    Bob, only state without a drag strip; Corrupticut!

----- Original Message -----
From: "hazemsedra" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:41 AM
Subject: [EVDL] MY EV experience so far

>
> First of all, thank you guys for taking the time to help me with your
> insightful comments regarding my continously running vacuum pump.
> I couldn't believe all the help I got..it needs a new valve starter switch
> and my beloved EV
> should be back on the road soon.
>
> I bought my converted 85 Ford escort approximately 1 month ago with a lot
> of
> trepidation.  I am in the middle of northwest minnesota in a small town, I
> don't have a  a mechanical or electrical background as I am in the health
> care profession, and the closest EV shop is GEM motors in Fargo, three
> hours
> from where I live.
>
> However I just knew there must be an alternative out there to gas engines,
> and there must be something cleaner for our environment...so why havn't we
> got there with all this incredible technology around us?  Gas prices
> continued to rise, the recession hit in, GM/Ford execs traveling in planes
> to congress to beg for our money, and Exxon/Mobil making record profits
> while our precious environment continues to deteriorate and is in state of
> unforeseen worrisome changes.
>
> That's when the electric vehicle made absolute sense to me.  However it
> was
> a difficult choice, because I knew nothing about taking care of a single
> battery, and then I was faced with 18 of them, a controller, a charger and
> now a vacuum pump. Nevertheless after driving it for 500 miles so far, and
> passing by those dirty gas stations, I discovered a new found freedom!
>
> I think you know what I mean...there is a freedom and an independence that
> comes with an EV which is just so refreshing. There is a pioneering spirit
> that comes with it...that you are doing something completely different and
> unique. It's like the feeling when email and the internet first came on
> the
> scene in the early 90's. I was blown away by it, and it
> changed how I did things from that moment. Sure I crashed windows 95
> several
> times, didn't know the difference between aol and world wide web, but I
> stuck with it because I saw the potential and now I can't function at home
> or at work without the net. Same feelings, reactions, and this excitement
> about my EV and the possibilities later on. Now, I don't think I can ever
> return to a gas clunker again!
>
> Thank you guys again for your help and this forum. I wish I can be as
> optimistic as Bob Rice regarding new battery technology in the near
> horizon
> given  the corporate greed of the automotive/oil industry…we will see.
>
> Hazem
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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> Nabble.com.
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[Dave Davidson-3]

I'll second Bob on that. He's built a number of EVs and generally has
at least one under construction. There's a EAA chapter in MN, but
don't know how close it is to you. Check out www.mneaa.com for
details. If too far away, round up a few enthusiasts around you and
start your own chapter.

Dave

On 11/1/09, Bob Rice <[hidden email]> wrote:

>   Hi Hazem;
>
>     Hey! We're all family here, I mean that in a good way; "You choose yur
> friends your stuck with your family<g>?"!Is the norm. Sheeple, or friends
> don't let friends build an electric car in a rickety garage in Speonk NY or
> Surprise AZ, BOTH actual places, without friends, or in OUR case the
> "net!"Were here to help. Over 200 of us in all walks of life and places.
> Central Connecticut, here.Yur in MN, don't forget we have one of our most
> knowledgable guyz on here, Lee Hart, up in Sartell, MN, so it 'ain't a
> wasteland of EV stuff..CA and Or are the hotbed of EV activity, although it
> is spreading out east. ANOTHER EV was born in my garage last night!! Yup!
> Mike and I FINALLY hooked the Curtis controller up so it RAN! Mike has a 20
> mile RT for HIS daily run, so a 144 volt '97 S-10 SHOULD do it, and he can
> stop off at Home Despot or Blowes for stuff, as needed? For MORE EV stuff
> check out the Yahell Groups; the NEDRA one and EVen OURS "NEEAA" New England
> Electric Auto Assoc.That's ME and about 30 other guyz into EV's, a "Build it
> and they will come" sorta thing. Have club meetings at your home, fixed
> date, do show and tell, fill yur yard with EV's we've had a dozen,
> here!Electric meter spinnning like a CD player!Good food, company and tech
> talk.EV Chapters ARE springing up around the USA, as sheeple get the word,
> like YOU have! Great note of introduction ya posted!As you know EV's issues
> aren't technical, but political? I can't go into that, or I'll get yelled
> at, but I'm SURE you have scene the docu-flik "Who Killed the Electric Car"
> You haven't? Go rent/buy it, and report back, but DON'T watch it on a full
> stomach!I THINK there is a sequil in the works;After all we have Teslas out
> there for you guys with deep pockets or a few oil wells in yur back, or
> front yard? But you wouldn't NEED them for yourself, though?Although it IS
> easier to clean paint brushes, and sprayers  with gas than electricity!
>
>     Yeah! I GUESS I can be optimistic about badd-eries, I have followed all
> this over 40 years, old fart here,the wonderful, all conquoring battery is
> just around the corner? The Titanic's coming in Friday, and the US Budget
> will be balanced in OUR lifetime. Frankly I'm betting in the Titanic!The
> THIRD ship, in their fleet, WAS gunna be called the "Gigantic"But the name
> game changed, after the world's most famous boating accident, they let her
> go with "Britannic".Sad that we need a national emergency to make stuff
> happen, we go from chrisis to chrisis, nowadaze.But Tesla got some money
> from the Feds!Waiting for the model "S" to come out, for the rest of us, who
> might wanna travel with a Significent Other AND a suitcase or two? Better
> times ARE coming, in a EVer changing world. Thanks for joining OURS, you
> newbees, out there, too many to mention.This List grew from a few posts a
> day to todaze many, in , what, 10 years?Been a fun 10 years?
>
>     Seeya
>
>     Bob, only state without a drag strip; Corrupticut!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hazemsedra" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:41 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] MY EV experience so far
>
>
>>
>> First of all, thank you guys for taking the time to help me with your
>> insightful comments regarding my continously running vacuum pump.
>> I couldn't believe all the help I got..it needs a new valve starter switch
>> and my beloved EV
>> should be back on the road soon.
>>
>> I bought my converted 85 Ford escort approximately 1 month ago with a lot
>> of
>> trepidation.  I am in the middle of northwest minnesota in a small town, I
>> don't have a  a mechanical or electrical background as I am in the health
>> care profession, and the closest EV shop is GEM motors in Fargo, three
>> hours
>> from where I live.
>>
>> However I just knew there must be an alternative out there to gas engines,
>> and there must be something cleaner for our environment...so why havn't we
>> got there with all this incredible technology around us?  Gas prices
>> continued to rise, the recession hit in, GM/Ford execs traveling in planes
>> to congress to beg for our money, and Exxon/Mobil making record profits
>> while our precious environment continues to deteriorate and is in state of
>> unforeseen worrisome changes.
>>
>> That's when the electric vehicle made absolute sense to me.  However it
>> was
>> a difficult choice, because I knew nothing about taking care of a single
>> battery, and then I was faced with 18 of them, a controller, a charger and
>> now a vacuum pump. Nevertheless after driving it for 500 miles so far, and
>> passing by those dirty gas stations, I discovered a new found freedom!
>>
>> I think you know what I mean...there is a freedom and an independence that
>> comes with an EV which is just so refreshing. There is a pioneering spirit
>> that comes with it...that you are doing something completely different and
>> unique. It's like the feeling when email and the internet first came on
>> the
>> scene in the early 90's. I was blown away by it, and it
>> changed how I did things from that moment. Sure I crashed windows 95
>> several
>> times, didn't know the difference between aol and world wide web, but I
>> stuck with it because I saw the potential and now I can't function at home
>> or at work without the net. Same feelings, reactions, and this excitement
>> about my EV and the possibilities later on. Now, I don't think I can ever
>> return to a gas clunker again!
>>
>> Thank you guys again for your help and this forum. I wish I can be as
>> optimistic as Bob Rice regarding new battery technology in the near
>> horizon
>> given  the corporate greed of the automotive/oil industry…we will see.
>>
>> Hazem
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/MY-EV-experience-so-far-tp26148899p26148899.html
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>> Nabble.com.
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[David Roden-3]

On 1 Nov 2009 at 11:01, Bob Rice wrote:

> Over 200 of us in all walks of life and places.

WAY over 200 if you count the lurkers.  The EVDL has almost 1,900
subscribers as of today.  

At the fuel price peak in the summer of '08, we had about 1,750, so even
though gasoline is much cheaper today, interest continues to trend upward.

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[Bob Rice-2]

  Hi David; an' EVerybody;

   Yeah! ANOTHER #$%^& Typo, I MEANT, Two Thousand good folks, rising above
my blanket term "Sheeple" for the rest of them! I KNOW I'm guilty for
sending Good Folks over to EVDL, to help folks get started. Explaining that
they AREN'T alone and no question on EV's is stupid. EVerybody has to start
SOMEWHERE as EV stuff sure isn't mainstream, like gas car tech.

   Give us a hollar when we go above2k people. With EVer escalating gas
prices (We aren't supposed to notice) AGAIN! It's getting old, AGAIN! EV's
look better than ever!?Especially CO's 42k rebate on a Tesla? But I'm SURE
if you go there and BUY a Tesla and drive it home to some other outlandish
place yud be wacked for the difference? I KNOW you would be in Corrupticut!

    It's a sorta "What If' thing? I hit my Amtrak bosses up with "IF I had
my  OWN train, could I run it on Amtrak?"As I was a paid engineer when I ran
THEIR trains, fair's fare?."Well, they hemmed and hawed, "We'd hafta CHARGE
you to use our trax, You would hafta take updated rules classes, and DOT
physicals, on and on?" I assured them that MY;  "Bob's  21th Century
Limited" wasn't gunna happen, or not on THEIR retitrement nickle! But it
sure woulda been a fun way to bring a WHOLE EAA Chapter, or two, to the
races Out West! Figguring HOW far a battery run train COULD go??Severall
baggage cars stuffed with Badd-eries! AND good regen!

   Soooo? Anybody gone to CO to buy their NEW Tesla for the Rebate? Just a
thought?  I mean 42 grand??

    Seeya

     Bob
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] MY EV experience so far

> On 1 Nov 2009 at 11:01, Bob Rice wrote:
>
>> Over 200 of us in all walks of life and places.
>
> WAY over 200 if you count the lurkers.  The EVDL has almost 1,900
> subscribers as of today.
>
> At the fuel price peak in the summer of '08, we had about 1,750, so even
> though gasoline is much cheaper today, interest continues to trend upward.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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[Willie McKemie-3]

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:19:02AM -0500, Bob Rice wrote:
>
>    Soooo? Anybody gone to CO to buy their NEW Tesla for the Rebate? Just a
> thought?  I mean 42 grand??

I believe it's a tax credit rather than a rebate.  That means you
would have to be liable for a large amount of Colorado tax (income
tax?) for the credit to be of value to you.

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[Rick Beebe]

Bob Rice wrote:
>    Soooo? Anybody gone to CO to buy their NEW Tesla for the Rebate? Just a
> thought?  I mean 42 grand??

You'd have to move to Colorado as the 42 grand is a state tax credit. If
you don't owe more than 42 grand in taxes to Colorado this year then you
can spread it out over 5 years (or until it's gone).

--Rick

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[Dennis Miles-2]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Bob Rice <[hidden email]> wrote:

>  Hi David; an' EVerybody;
>
>    EV's look better than ever!?Especially CO's 42k rebate on a Tesla? But
> I'm SURE
> if you go there and BUY a Tesla and drive it home to some other outlandish
> place yud be wacked for the difference? I KNOW you would be in Corrupticut!
>
>   Soooo? Anybody gone to CO to buy their NEW Tesla for the Rebate? Just a
> thought?  I mean 42 grand??
>
>    Seeya
>
>     Bob
>

-=============================================================

Hi, Bob,    I love your humor with so many serious SHEEPLE around.

Now I haven't researched it.  BUT, I would wager a piece of Halloween candy
that the
 $42,000 is going to be VERY restricted, like "Long time Resident of CO."
And the
money will be non transferable, credit against Future Residential Property
Taxes!

     If it was straight CASH, there would be some Teslas for sale on E BAY
bought for the
$70,000 discounted price tag and for sale at Minimum of $90,000 to us
non eligible SHEEPLE from other states !

Regards,
    Dennis Miles,    (Director / CEO)
Electric Vehicle Technical Institute Inc.
Tampa Bay Region, Florida, USA
       Phone (863) 289 - 0690
"Mentoring, Small Group Instruction,
and Hands-On training
for the EV Technicians:
Building, Converting, Repairing,
and Servicing the
Electric Vehicles of Today,
and the Future."
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