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For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up  
Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I  
hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by, and  
I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk posting  
something that is slightly off topic and might look like a shameless  
plug for Apple.

However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer to  
peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts on  
this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there have  
also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in particular  
the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough. With both of  
those points in mind the Mini Server might be the answer for some  
people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow Leopard server  
unlimitted.

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On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:

>  It comes pre-loaded with Snow Leopard server unlimitted.

Yes, and at a price that is hard to beat since it's server unlimited  
AND offers dual hard drives.  Makes an excellent choice for a  
webserver as well.


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Specially if you combine it with this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/TX711VC/A

Saludos

Ibrahim Bittar Torres
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On 09/11/2009, at 12:30, Rick Dwyer wrote:

>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:
>
>> It comes pre-loaded with Snow Leopard server unlimitted.
>
> Yes, and at a price that is hard to beat since it's server unlimited  
> AND offers dual hard drives.  Makes an excellent choice for a  
> webserver as well.
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>
> --Rick
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I agree that the new Mac mini running OS X Server is a good choice for  
an economical server.  The caveats are:
1) it uses laptop drives which are slower and less reliable than 3.5"  
drives.
2) it does not have server-optimized hardware like an Xserve.

IMHO it is an excellent choice.  As with ALL servers, a robust/
reliable backup method is required.  Don't rely on RAID, Time Machine,  
or a single external drive.

The list of people I know who have lost all their data because they  
chose not to properly backup grows and grows...  A friend had a backup  
drive but just didn't get around to using it: she lost years of  
pictures of her grandkids, et al.

Sam


On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:

> For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up  
> Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I  
> hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by,  
> and I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk posting  
> something that is slightly off topic and might look like a shameless  
> plug for Apple.
>
> However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer to  
> peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts on  
> this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there have  
> also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in  
> particular the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough. With  
> both of those points in mind the Mini Server might be the answer for  
> some people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow Leopard  
> server unlimitted.
>
> Patrick Neame
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I agree with Samuel. This year I've had 6 horror stories about people  
loosing data.

Yo can fill those gaps with SafetyNet for your FM Backups (I use it,  
very nice) and iDrive for the rest of your data.

Saludos

Ibrahim Bittar Torres
Director General
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FileMaker 10 Certified Developer
http://www.eikonsys.com
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On 09/11/2009, at 13:25, Samuel Herschbein wrote:

> I agree that the new Mac mini running OS X Server is a good choice  
> for an economical server.  The caveats are:
> 1) it uses laptop drives which are slower and less reliable than  
> 3.5" drives.
> 2) it does not have server-optimized hardware like an Xserve.
>
> IMHO it is an excellent choice.  As with ALL servers, a robust/
> reliable backup method is required.  Don't rely on RAID, Time  
> Machine, or a single external drive.
>
> The list of people I know who have lost all their data because they  
> chose not to properly backup grows and grows...  A friend had a  
> backup drive but just didn't get around to using it: she lost years  
> of pictures of her grandkids, et al.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:
>
>> For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up  
>> Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I  
>> hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by,  
>> and I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk  
>> posting something that is slightly off topic and might look like a  
>> shameless plug for Apple.
>>
>> However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer  
>> to peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts  
>> on this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there  
>> have also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in  
>> particular the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough.  
>> With both of those points in mind the Mini Server might be the  
>> answer for some people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow  
>> Leopard server unlimitted.
>>
>> Patrick Neame
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I've been using online backup via Backblaze and Jungle Disk on my Mac,  
both work OK.  But I've been violating a sacred rule of backup: do  
test restores periodically to verify it's working...  I also backup up  
to .Mac using Apple's Backup, as well as to two other Macs @ home & 2  
hard drives, one always off site.

You might be thinking I'm a bit OCD about backup... ;)

There are more and more flat-fee online backup sites popping up, if  
you choose one be sure it has good encryption.

Sam


On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Ibrahim Bittar Torres wrote:

> I agree with Samuel. This year I've had 6 horror stories about  
> people loosing data.
>
> Yo can fill those gaps with SafetyNet for your FM Backups (I use it,  
> very nice) and iDrive for the rest of your data.
>
> Saludos
>
> Ibrahim Bittar Torres
> Director General
> Eikonsys
> FileMaker 10 Certified Developer
> http://www.eikonsys.com
> FileMaker Business Alliance
>
>
>
>
> On 09/11/2009, at 13:25, Samuel Herschbein wrote:
>
>> I agree that the new Mac mini running OS X Server is a good choice  
>> for an economical server.  The caveats are:
>> 1) it uses laptop drives which are slower and less reliable than  
>> 3.5" drives.
>> 2) it does not have server-optimized hardware like an Xserve.
>>
>> IMHO it is an excellent choice.  As with ALL servers, a robust/
>> reliable backup method is required.  Don't rely on RAID, Time  
>> Machine, or a single external drive.
>>
>> The list of people I know who have lost all their data because they  
>> chose not to properly backup grows and grows...  A friend had a  
>> backup drive but just didn't get around to using it: she lost years  
>> of pictures of her grandkids, et al.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up  
>>> Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I  
>>> hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by,  
>>> and I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk  
>>> posting something that is slightly off topic and might look like a  
>>> shameless plug for Apple.
>>>
>>> However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer  
>>> to peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts  
>>> on this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there  
>>> have also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in  
>>> particular the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough.  
>>> With both of those points in mind the Mini Server might be the  
>>> answer for some people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow  
>>> Leopard server unlimitted.
>>>
>>> Patrick Neame
>>> _______________________________________________
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I wonder what kind of performance you would get if you swapped one of  
the slow laptop drives with an SSD drive.

Steve

On 2009-11-09, at 12:25 PM, Samuel Herschbein wrote:

> I agree that the new Mac mini running OS X Server is a good choice  
> for an economical server.  The caveats are:
> 1) it uses laptop drives which are slower and less reliable than  
> 3.5" drives.
> 2) it does not have server-optimized hardware like an Xserve.
>
> IMHO it is an excellent choice.  As with ALL servers, a robust/
> reliable backup method is required.  Don't rely on RAID, Time  
> Machine, or a single external drive.
>
> The list of people I know who have lost all their data because they  
> chose not to properly backup grows and grows...  A friend had a  
> backup drive but just didn't get around to using it: she lost years  
> of pictures of her grandkids, et al.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:
>
>> For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up  
>> Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I  
>> hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by,  
>> and I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk  
>> posting something that is slightly off topic and might look like a  
>> shameless plug for Apple.
>>
>> However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer  
>> to peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts  
>> on this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there  
>> have also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in  
>> particular the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough.  
>> With both of those points in mind the Mini Server might be the  
>> answer for some people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow  
>> Leopard server unlimitted.
>>
>> Patrick Neame
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Sam, I second your "sacred rule" comment.  Among other daily disciplines, as
mentioned here, and adding a bi-weekly backup of ultra-critical data to DVD,
I use Time Machine.  I discovered to my horror that TM was backing up fine
but the Mac had stopped indexing, so TM had been archiving the same data for
6 wks or so.  Even the Apple product specialist to whom tech support
referred me had never seen this before, so it took him over an hour to
figure it out.

Re-indexing solved the problem--but good lesson learned. Even OCD isn't a
perfect solution to everything!

Rick Krall

> From: Samuel Herschbein <[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: <[hidden email]>
> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:06:20 -0800
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server
>
> I've been using online backup via Backblaze and Jungle Disk on my Mac,
> both work OK.  But I've been violating a sacred rule of backup: do
> test restores periodically to verify it's working...  I also backup up
> to .Mac using Apple's Backup, as well as to two other Macs @ home & 2
> hard drives, one always off site.
>
> You might be thinking I'm a bit OCD about backup... ;)
>
> There are more and more flat-fee online backup sites popping up, if
> you choose one be sure it has good encryption.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Ibrahim Bittar Torres wrote:
>
>> I agree with Samuel. This year I've had 6 horror stories about
>> people loosing data.
>>
>> Yo can fill those gaps with SafetyNet for your FM Backups (I use it,
>> very nice) and iDrive for the rest of your data.
>>
>> Saludos
>>
>> Ibrahim Bittar Torres
>> Director General
>> Eikonsys
>> FileMaker 10 Certified Developer
>> http://www.eikonsys.com
>> FileMaker Business Alliance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/11/2009, at 13:25, Samuel Herschbein wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that the new Mac mini running OS X Server is a good choice
>>> for an economical server.  The caveats are:
>>> 1) it uses laptop drives which are slower and less reliable than
>>> 3.5" drives.
>>> 2) it does not have server-optimized hardware like an Xserve.
>>>
>>> IMHO it is an excellent choice.  As with ALL servers, a robust/
>>> reliable backup method is required.  Don't rely on RAID, Time
>>> Machine, or a single external drive.
>>>
>>> The list of people I know who have lost all their data because they
>>> chose not to properly backup grows and grows...  A friend had a
>>> backup drive but just didn't get around to using it: she lost years
>>> of pictures of her grandkids, et al.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Patrick Neame wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those of you wondering about a peer to peer or server set up
>>>> Apple's announcement of the Mini Server might be of interest. I
>>>> hesitated before posting this but it had completely passed me by,
>>>> and I like to keep up with things Mac, so I thought I'd risk
>>>> posting something that is slightly off topic and might look like a
>>>> shameless plug for Apple.
>>>>
>>>> However, there was a recent discussion about a glitch with a peer
>>>> to peer network. I think it's fair to say that many of the experts
>>>> on this list  are not fans of peer to peer. On top of that there
>>>> have also been discussions in the past about server hardware, in
>>>> particular the question of whether the Mac Mini is good enough.
>>>> With both of those points in mind the Mini Server might be the
>>>> answer for some people on a budget. It comes pre-loaded with Snow
>>>> Leopard server unlimitted.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Neame
>>>> _______________________________________________
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