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Mice

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Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the 12V house battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over the motor room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to make the Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into the open frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in or the key switch is on.
Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?

Roger Heuckeroth

Re: Mice

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Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:

>
> Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the
> 12V house
> battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over
> the motor
> room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to
> make the
> Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into
> the open
> frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in
> or the
> key switch is on.
> Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?
>
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David Chapman-9

Re: Mice

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Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your motor room. David Chapman.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM

Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:

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Gene Stopp

Re: Mice

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Or put an exercise wheel in there with a generator on it?

- Gene

Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your motor room. David Chapman.

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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM

Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:

evdesigner

Re: Mice

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Our 'ex' outdoor cat is now indoors for the past 5 months and has caught 4 mice within the last week inside the house (nice house in nice neighborhood, just can't keep those critters out!). I store my GE elec trak riding mower outside by the shed near the woods. I recently needed to pull 6 of the NiCd STM-180 nicad batteries for a dyno setup at work. Underneath the seat where 4 of the batteries are located, there was a mouse nest and 6 grown mice!
I guess this doesn't really answer your question, but I would do a search of the archives and see what Lee Hart had to say about making these DC/DC converters more robust in an EV application.
A few comments I'll make,
1) preferably put it inside the cabin
2) if not, put it inside a semi-weather tight box
3) if you can't do this, you should at least take off the Iota enclosure and coat all of the circuit boards with a generous amount of conformal coating. I prefer the thick coating like Humiseal 1A33 that I apply with a brush on top side and bottom side covering all components, traces etc.
4) This should be done regardless of where the DC/DC is located due to vibration issues in an EV. Use silicon to attach all 'weak' looking components to the board, like through hole power resistors sticking up without support. It is preferred that you use something that doesn't release acetic acid while curing, like 'Ultra Blue'.
Good luck with the mice, and if you need a cat, I have a few extra's available for free, pickup required :-)
Rod

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 5:29 PM
> Get a cat :^))
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:
>
> >
> > Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and
> noticed that the
> > 12V house
> > battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw
> mouse turds all over
> > the motor
> > room. There is probably enough heat generated during
> charging to
> > make the
> > Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think
> some fell into
> > the open
> > frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger
> is plugged in
> > or the
> > key switch is on.
> > Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?
> >
> > -----
> > 2000 Ford Focus, 9" ADC, Zilla 1K, 18x Sam's Club 6V
> GC-2's
> > --
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David Roden-3

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It's amazing how fast mice will move in if you provide them with a nice,
snug place to raise a family. It's also remarkable how destructive mice
urine can be to electronics.

I've had them in battery boxes, behind the instrument panel of my Elec-Trak,
under seats, and other places. Even if the vehicle is used daily, they'll
still try to set up houskeeping.

In a garage they're really tough to keep out. Keeping a cat around DOES hold
down the population, partly because female rats and mice prefer better
neighborhoods for raising families, but that doesn't eliminate them. You
just have to check everywhere periodically and evict them before they do too
much damage.

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damon henry

Re: Mice

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I feel sorry for all you people with faulty cats. Mine keeps all the mice out... out of the house, out of the garage, out of the crawl space etc... She even brings them home from the wetlands behind my house and drops them next to the various entrances beheaded and disemboweled just to get her point across to any stray mice who might think she is not serious. We are lucky she is not running a country with large oil reserves :-)

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Brett Davis

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Now you're thinking!

(beware of PETA)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Gene Stopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or put an exercise wheel in there with a generator on it?
>
> - Gene
>
>
> Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe
> you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
> Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you
> will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
> motor room. David Chapman.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM
>
>
> Get a cat :^))
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:
>
> >
> > Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the
> > 12V house
> > battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over
> > the motor
> > room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to
> > make the
> > Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into
> > the open
> > frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in
> > or the
> > key switch is on.
> > Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?
> >
>
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toaster611

Re: Mice

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Mice;
please read cdc link before cleaning....

you can never be to careful!!
http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/diseases/hanta/hps_stc/stc_clean.htm
.....
..
.
They have same needs we do!! Only smaller: food, water, shelter

Eliminate any hole you can slide a dime in, a mouse can fit thru.

I have hung a plastic owl decoy from clothesline, havent had any mice in my garage since moving in 97'

use stainless steel, in battery box vents? I think its too hard to chew!!

read this link.... esp.. garbage and bird feeders
http://pestcontrolcanada.com/Rodents/mice.htm

good luck!!

Simon
P.S. havent seen a mouse since 2002, even an empty pop can will attract them!!

Walter Guinon wrote:

Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the 12V house battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over the motor room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to make the Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into the open frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in or the key switch is on.
Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?

Ross Cunniff-2

Re: Mice

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Walter Guinon wrote:

Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip... Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over the motor room... What can I do?

My favorite trap right now is my Victor electronic mouse trap - it shocks the disease-ridden vermin to death with 4 AA batteries. The irony is not lost on me. I use it as a constant reminder to be careful while working on my cars :-)

Mike Nickerson

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I highly recommend the windup traps. They can catch several mice at once
and it's much easier to get the mice out of.

Once I catch some mice, I just pop the whole thing in the freezer. That
turns them into "mousicles". Since my wife feeds birds of prey, that's
perfect; bite-size morsels. Someone without a specific "bird food freezer"
might be a little more squeamish about putting the mouse trap in the
freezer, though.

Mike

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of David Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:41 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice

Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe
you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you
will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
motor room. David Chapman.

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM

Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:

Bob Rice-2

Re: Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

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What IS it with Electrac's anyhow!?? Do they COME with mice built in?
NEVER met one that wasn't FULL of mouse stuffings, exhaust, and
debris<g>?!In my morabund collection of Electracs, they are a mouse colony!
My Sentra, abuilding, has been in the GARAGE, albiet an non attached one,
pulled it out in the sunlight and the glove box was FULL of mouse nest!Gees!
Well, as Dave pointed out they like quiet, secluded places. EV's ARE quiet,
I guess. Somebody said" Get Cats!" Got two, and THEY bring in their
offerings dead AND alive! I may not be as agile as a working chipmonk or
mouse, but I'm SMARTER! Usualy they fall for the old cornering and catching,
in an towel, trick! Chippis BITE! Like getting bit with a metal nibbler!Use
gloves, or towel Cat? Yeah! Right? They watch with casual indifference!

I guess I brought up my cats wrong? They are WAITING for breakfast! The
hunting instinct is sorta dorment? I'LL see a mouse and POINT the cat's head
at it and say" Go GET It!"She SPRINGS into action, like running a 72 volt
motor on 300 volts! A quick DOUBLE catch, she'll nail the mouse AND I catch
HER and take both out and "Empty" my mobile mouse trap! But not always as I
find dead "critters" about the house, all the time. They, other than the
cats ,can squeeze in to most EVERYWHERE? Anybody tried those hi freq rodent
noise gadgets, that they SAY will run critters off? THAT would seem to be
the answer, left on in the Electrc Storage area, etc? Mouse traps? They know
better! Just pass it up? Hell, WHAT do they like to eat anyhow? Cheeze?
Forgetabout it!

Just one of the fun things, about living in the country, along with the
fall LEAVES, anybody need about a RR Hy Cube Boxcar, carload of leaves? Take
all ya want? I want to get an AIRPLANE propeller, hook it up to a 9" motor,
or so, mount on front of Jetta and SLOWLY drive the heavy EV around the yard
with the prop pushing , or TRYING to push me back> Boy! I could blow the
godamn leaves WAY out in the woods! WHY put up with wimpy 5hp blowers, A
Cursit controller to run motor/prop?A bracket that would bolt on top the
towing brackets on front of Jetta, and bumper to support the motor and prop?
I could drive it down, not RUNNING, to my local Inconvenience store and gas
station and kid that I'm running the car on wind power!! Charging while
driving! Where do guyz get Props, anyhow? Hell, the German RR TRIED a Prop
driven train ,in the 30's. It DID work! Rather noisy, ungainly, indoors!
Blew all the bats an' birds out of the tunnels!! A JC Whitney for AIRPLANE
parts?A Ultra Lite? How BIG are props, anyhow? Anybody into Aero-Planes on
here? Am I loosing the last of sanity that I have? What RPM to they like? I
remember the kids in 'Nam running up behind our planes as they took off, for
the BLAST of cool, well, relatively, rushing air! They didn't seem to mind
the DUST and debris.I have EVery thing ELSE, but the prop!HOW would ya MOUNT
it on a 9" motor shaft?Would be embarrising to have it come off!

Wind up mouse traps?? Sounds like fun? How do they work, anyhow? Convert
'em to electric?I'd be happy with a catch and release plan, take them AWAY,
and let 'em go, within my EV's range<g>? Bleeech! Mice in the freezer! As
outlandish as a 25-200HP Leaf blower? A use for a 9" motor not in the Warp
catalogue?

Seeya

Bob
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To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice

I highly recommend the windup traps. They can catch several mice at once
and it's much easier to get the mice out of.

Once I catch some mice, I just pop the whole thing in the freezer. That
turns them into "mousicles". Since my wife feeds birds of prey, that's
perfect; bite-size morsels. Someone without a specific "bird food freezer"
might be a little more squeamish about putting the mouse trap in the
freezer, though.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of David Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:41 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice

Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe
you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you
will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
motor room. David Chapman.

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM

Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:

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joe-22

Re: Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

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Bob, try peanut butter as bait in the mouse trap - they can't resist it!
I've also used chocolate with good results. My mom uses pumpkin or squash
seeds.

BTW, we have 7 cats; and mice still all over the place; the EV's make a safe
home for them where the cats can't get them!!

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

> What IS it with Electrac's anyhow!?? Do they COME with mice built in?
> NEVER met one that wasn't FULL of mouse stuffings, exhaust, and
> debris<g>?!In my morabund collection of Electracs, they are a mouse
> colony!
> My Sentra, abuilding, has been in the GARAGE, albiet an non attached one,
> pulled it out in the sunlight and the glove box was FULL of mouse
> nest!Gees!
> Well, as Dave pointed out they like quiet, secluded places. EV's ARE
> quiet,
> I guess. Somebody said" Get Cats!" Got two, and THEY bring in their
> offerings dead AND alive! I may not be as agile as a working chipmonk or
> mouse, but I'm SMARTER! Usualy they fall for the old cornering and
> catching,
> in an towel, trick! Chippis BITE! Like getting bit with a metal
> nibbler!Use
> gloves, or towel Cat? Yeah! Right? They watch with casual indifference!
>
> I guess I brought up my cats wrong? They are WAITING for breakfast! The
> hunting instinct is sorta dorment? I'LL see a mouse and POINT the cat's
> head
> at it and say" Go GET It!"She SPRINGS into action, like running a 72 volt
> motor on 300 volts! A quick DOUBLE catch, she'll nail the mouse AND I
> catch
> HER and take both out and "Empty" my mobile mouse trap! But not always as
> I
> find dead "critters" about the house, all the time. They, other than the
> cats ,can squeeze in to most EVERYWHERE? Anybody tried those hi freq
> rodent
> noise gadgets, that they SAY will run critters off? THAT would seem to be
> the answer, left on in the Electrc Storage area, etc? Mouse traps? They
> know
> better! Just pass it up? Hell, WHAT do they like to eat anyhow? Cheeze?
> Forgetabout it!
>
> Just one of the fun things, about living in the country, along with the
> fall LEAVES, anybody need about a RR Hy Cube Boxcar, carload of leaves?
> Take
> all ya want? I want to get an AIRPLANE propeller, hook it up to a 9"
> motor,
> or so, mount on front of Jetta and SLOWLY drive the heavy EV around the
> yard
> with the prop pushing , or TRYING to push me back> Boy! I could blow the
> godamn leaves WAY out in the woods! WHY put up with wimpy 5hp blowers, A
> Cursit controller to run motor/prop?A bracket that would bolt on top the
> towing brackets on front of Jetta, and bumper to support the motor and
> prop?
> I could drive it down, not RUNNING, to my local Inconvenience store and
> gas
> station and kid that I'm running the car on wind power!! Charging while
> driving! Where do guyz get Props, anyhow? Hell, the German RR TRIED a Prop
> driven train ,in the 30's. It DID work! Rather noisy, ungainly, indoors!
> Blew all the bats an' birds out of the tunnels!! A JC Whitney for AIRPLANE
> parts?A Ultra Lite? How BIG are props, anyhow? Anybody into Aero-Planes on
> here? Am I loosing the last of sanity that I have? What RPM to they like?
> I
> remember the kids in 'Nam running up behind our planes as they took off,
> for
> the BLAST of cool, well, relatively, rushing air! They didn't seem to mind
> the DUST and debris.I have EVery thing ELSE, but the prop!HOW would ya
> MOUNT
> it on a 9" motor shaft?Would be embarrising to have it come off!
>
> Wind up mouse traps?? Sounds like fun? How do they work, anyhow?
> Convert
> 'em to electric?I'd be happy with a catch and release plan, take them
> AWAY,
> and let 'em go, within my EV's range<g>? Bleeech! Mice in the freezer!
> As
> outlandish as a 25-200HP Leaf blower? A use for a 9" motor not in the Warp
> catalogue?
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Nickerson" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
>
>
> I highly recommend the windup traps. They can catch several mice at once
> and it's much easier to get the mice out of.
>
> Once I catch some mice, I just pop the whole thing in the freezer. That
> turns them into "mousicles". Since my wife feeds birds of prey, that's
> perfect; bite-size morsels. Someone without a specific "bird food
> freezer"
> might be a little more squeamish about putting the mouse trap in the
> freezer, though.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf
> Of David Chapman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
>
> Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe
> you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
> Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter,
> you
> will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
> motor room. David Chapman.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
> From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM
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>
> Get a cat :^))
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:
>
>>
>> Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the
>> 12V house
>> battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over
>> the motor
>> room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to
>> make the
>> Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into
>> the open
>> frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in
>> or the
>> key switch is on.
>> Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?
>>
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Re: Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

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----- Original Message -----
From: "joe" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

> Bob, try peanut butter as bait in the mouse trap - they can't resist it!
> I've also used chocolate with good results. My mom uses pumpkin or squash
> seeds.
> OK I LOVE peanut butter, too! What brand? Smooth, Crunchy, blended, or
> with the goo on top ya supposed to stur in?Guess I could share it with my
> mice? They have good taste?Would they like a Coke, too?

> BTW, we have 7 cats; and mice still all over the place; the EV's make a
> safe
> home for them where the cats can't get them!!

I guess the cats have a good contract?Mice isn't in the bylawes? Too many
EV's are static exhibits, though, and the mice move in?We HAD that issues
with TRAINS, too! HOWTHEHELL can a mouse get ON a train??With Amtrak's fares
as high as they are, they would rethink, and go Greyhound? But seroiusly it
WAS an issue, it was suggested to get CATS aboard? One guy wrote it up with
a terse "Cats on Order" Well, RATS get on Ships? I mean, in that scene in
"Titanic" with the rats running ahead of the rushing water? Hell, Titanic
was a NEW boat? Shouldn't have had ANY mice or rats??OK off to buy some
mouse traps.

Seeya

Bob

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rice" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff
>
>
>> What IS it with Electrac's anyhow!?? Do they COME with mice built in?
>> NEVER met one that wasn't FULL of mouse stuffings, exhaust, and
>> debris<g>?!In my morabund collection of Electracs, they are a mouse
>> colony!
>> My Sentra, abuilding, has been in the GARAGE, albiet an non attached one,
>> pulled it out in the sunlight and the glove box was FULL of mouse
>> nest!Gees!
>> Well, as Dave pointed out they like quiet, secluded places. EV's ARE
>> quiet,
>> I guess. Somebody said" Get Cats!" Got two, and THEY bring in their
>> offerings dead AND alive! I may not be as agile as a working chipmonk or
>> mouse, but I'm SMARTER! Usualy they fall for the old cornering and
>> catching,
>> in an towel, trick! Chippis BITE! Like getting bit with a metal
>> nibbler!Use
>> gloves, or towel Cat? Yeah! Right? They watch with casual indifference!
>>
>> I guess I brought up my cats wrong? They are WAITING for breakfast!
>> The
>> hunting instinct is sorta dorment? I'LL see a mouse and POINT the cat's
>> head
>> at it and say" Go GET It!"She SPRINGS into action, like running a 72 volt
>> motor on 300 volts! A quick DOUBLE catch, she'll nail the mouse AND I
>> catch
>> HER and take both out and "Empty" my mobile mouse trap! But not always as
>> I
>> find dead "critters" about the house, all the time. They, other than the
>> cats ,can squeeze in to most EVERYWHERE? Anybody tried those hi freq
>> rodent
>> noise gadgets, that they SAY will run critters off? THAT would seem to be
>> the answer, left on in the Electrc Storage area, etc? Mouse traps? They
>> know
>> better! Just pass it up? Hell, WHAT do they like to eat anyhow? Cheeze?
>> Forgetabout it!
>>
>> Just one of the fun things, about living in the country, along with the
>> fall LEAVES, anybody need about a RR Hy Cube Boxcar, carload of leaves?
>> Take
>> all ya want? I want to get an AIRPLANE propeller, hook it up to a 9"
>> motor,
>> or so, mount on front of Jetta and SLOWLY drive the heavy EV around the
>> yard
>> with the prop pushing , or TRYING to push me back> Boy! I could blow the
>> godamn leaves WAY out in the woods! WHY put up with wimpy 5hp blowers, A
>> Cursit controller to run motor/prop?A bracket that would bolt on top the
>> towing brackets on front of Jetta, and bumper to support the motor and
>> prop?
>> I could drive it down, not RUNNING, to my local Inconvenience store and
>> gas
>> station and kid that I'm running the car on wind power!! Charging while
>> driving! Where do guyz get Props, anyhow? Hell, the German RR TRIED a
>> Prop
>> driven train ,in the 30's. It DID work! Rather noisy, ungainly, indoors!
>> Blew all the bats an' birds out of the tunnels!! A JC Whitney for
>> AIRPLANE
>> parts?A Ultra Lite? How BIG are props, anyhow? Anybody into Aero-Planes
>> on
>> here? Am I loosing the last of sanity that I have? What RPM to they like?
>> I
>> remember the kids in 'Nam running up behind our planes as they took off,
>> for
>> the BLAST of cool, well, relatively, rushing air! They didn't seem to
>> mind
>> the DUST and debris.I have EVery thing ELSE, but the prop!HOW would ya
>> MOUNT
>> it on a 9" motor shaft?Would be embarrising to have it come off!
>>
>> Wind up mouse traps?? Sounds like fun? How do they work, anyhow?
>> Convert
>> 'em to electric?I'd be happy with a catch and release plan, take them
>> AWAY,
>> and let 'em go, within my EV's range<g>? Bleeech! Mice in the freezer!
>> As
>> outlandish as a 25-200HP Leaf blower? A use for a 9" motor not in the
>> Warp
>> catalogue?
>>
>> Seeya
>>
>> Bob
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Nickerson" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
>>
>>
>> I highly recommend the windup traps. They can catch several mice at once
>> and it's much easier to get the mice out of.
>>
>> Once I catch some mice, I just pop the whole thing in the freezer. That
>> turns them into "mousicles". Since my wife feeds birds of prey, that's
>> perfect; bite-size morsels. Someone without a specific "bird food
>> freezer"
>> might be a little more squeamish about putting the mouse trap in the
>> freezer, though.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David Chapman
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:41 PM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
>>
>> Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem
>> maybe
>> you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better
>> mousetrap.
>> Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter,
>> you
>> will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
>> motor room. David Chapman.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM
>>
>>
>> Get a cat :^))
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tonite I hopped in my e-car for a short trip and noticed that the
>>> 12V house
>>> battery was low. Upon opening the hood I saw mouse turds all over
>>> the motor
>>> room. There is probably enough heat generated during charging to
>>> make the
>>> Iota and the batteries a cozy spot to sleep. I think some fell into
>>> the open
>>> frame Iota DC-DC which is energized when the charger is plugged in
>>> or the
>>> key switch is on.
>>> Has anyone else had this problem? What can I do?
>>>
>>> -----
>>> 2000 Ford Focus, 9" ADC, Zilla 1K, 18x Sam's Club 6V GC-2's
>>> --
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>> http://old.nabble.com/Mice-tp26163609p26163609.html
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Re: Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

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On 4 Nov 2009 at 10:14, Bob Rice wrote:

> Anybody tried those hi freq rodent noise gadgets, that they SAY will
> run critters off? THAT would seem to be the answer, left on in the
> Electrc Storage area, etc?

I put one of those gadgets, a cheapie, in the garage years ago, for the
exact reason we're discussing here - mice like making their homes in EVs.
Maybe it does help since I don't get as many as you seem to, but I still
have to file eviction notices a couple of times a year.

I suspect that for most mice, the noisemakers are like living close to an
expressway is for us - you don't much like the constant hum, but if the
house is otherwise perfect, you'll get used to it.

I do know someone who got one of the high-end (== expensive) noisemaking
rodent repellers to try to clear her house out when her lazy cat wasn't
doing the job. She says it works. Only trouble is that her kid's rabbit
literally put its paws over its ears! (We kept the bunny here for her until
she decided the mice were gone.)

Here's a silly thought. Every EV has a multi-kilowatt amplifier and a big
loudspeakier. Though that latter (the motor) isn't really optimized for
ultrasonic frequencies, I wonder what would happen to the onboard mice
population if you programmed a controller to supply a few milliwatts' worth
of 30kHz audio to the motor when it was idle.

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--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Bob Rice <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I want to get an AIRPLANE propeller, hook it
> up to a 9" motor,

Hey Bob... A lot has been happening over 2008/2009 with props spun by electrical batts...
Bit of a round up here:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3670
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Re: Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff

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Hey Bob, try some of the Ultralight suppliers for prop returns. they come with hubs and adapters for various motors. Mount it backwards and you can exhibt the push-pull characteristics of your EV--while clearing leaves,mices {meeces?}, cats,dogs, snails, and those stubborn last minute leaves on the trees. Throw a little sand into the prop and prep your house for winter painting. HIyo; Fleabiscuit.

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Bob Rice <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bob Rice <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Of Men and Mice,musings an' stuff
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 8:14 AM

   What IS it with Electrac's anyhow!?? Do they COME with mice built in?
NEVER met one that wasn't FULL of mouse stuffings, exhaust, and
debris<g>?!In my morabund collection of Electracs, they are a mouse colony!
My Sentra, abuilding, has been in the GARAGE, albiet an non attached one,
pulled it out in the sunlight and the glove box was FULL of mouse nest!Gees!
Well, as Dave pointed out they like quiet, secluded places. EV's ARE quiet,
I guess. Somebody said" Get Cats!" Got two, and THEY bring in their
offerings dead AND alive! I may not be as agile as a working chipmonk or
mouse, but I'm SMARTER! Usualy they fall for the old cornering and catching,
in an towel, trick! Chippis BITE! Like getting bit with a metal nibbler!Use
gloves, or towel Cat? Yeah! Right? They watch with casual indifference!

I guess I brought up my cats wrong? They are WAITING for breakfast! The
hunting instinct is sorta dorment? I'LL see a mouse and POINT the cat's head
at it and say" Go GET It!"She SPRINGS into action, like running a 72 volt
motor on 300 volts! A quick DOUBLE catch, she'll nail the mouse AND I catch
HER and take both out and "Empty" my mobile mouse trap! But not always as I
find dead "critters" about the house, all the time. They, other than the
cats ,can squeeze in to most EVERYWHERE? Anybody tried those hi freq rodent
noise gadgets, that they SAY will run critters off? THAT would seem to be
the answer, left on in the Electrc Storage area, etc? Mouse traps? They know
better! Just pass it up? Hell, WHAT do they like to eat anyhow? Cheeze?
Forgetabout it!

   Just one of the fun things, about living in the country, along with the
fall LEAVES, anybody need about a RR Hy Cube Boxcar, carload of leaves? Take
all ya want? I want to get an AIRPLANE propeller, hook it up to a 9" motor,
or so, mount on front of Jetta and SLOWLY drive the heavy EV around the yard
with the prop pushing , or TRYING to push me back> Boy! I could blow the
godamn leaves WAY out in the woods! WHY put up with wimpy 5hp blowers, A
Cursit controller to run motor/prop?A bracket that would bolt on top the
towing brackets on front of Jetta, and bumper to support the motor and prop?
I could drive it down, not RUNNING, to my local Inconvenience store and gas
station and kid that I'm running the car on wind power!! Charging while
driving! Where do guyz get Props, anyhow? Hell, the German RR TRIED a Prop
driven train ,in the 30's. It DID work! Rather noisy, ungainly, indoors!
Blew all the bats an' birds out of the tunnels!! A JC Whitney for AIRPLANE
parts?A Ultra Lite? How BIG are props, anyhow? Anybody into Aero-Planes on
here? Am I loosing the last of sanity that I have? What RPM to they like? I
remember the kids in 'Nam running up behind our planes as they took off, for
the BLAST of cool, well, relatively, rushing air! They didn't seem to mind
the DUST and debris.I have EVery thing ELSE, but the prop!HOW would ya MOUNT
it on a 9" motor shaft?Would be embarrising to have it come off!

Wind up mouse traps?? Sounds like fun? How do they work, anyhow? Convert
'em to electric?I'd be happy with a catch and release plan, take them AWAY,
and let 'em go, within my EV's range<g>? Bleeech! Mice in the freezer! As
outlandish as a 25-200HP Leaf blower? A use for a 9" motor not in the Warp
catalogue?

   Seeya

   Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nickerson" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice

I highly recommend the windup traps. They can catch several mice at once
and it's much easier to get the mice out of.

Once I catch some mice, I just pop the whole thing in the freezer. That
turns them into "mousicles". Since my wife feeds birds of prey, that's
perfect; bite-size morsels. Someone without a specific "bird food freezer"
might be a little more squeamish about putting the mouse trap in the
freezer, though.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of David Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:41 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice

Walter, possibly you are looking at this wrong? Instead of a problem maybe
you have come up with the holy grail of inventors. IE: A better mousetrap.
Get a windup collector from a feedstore and bait it with peanut butter, you
will just have to empty it out daily so they don't die and stink up your
motor room. David Chapman.

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Roger Heuckeroth <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mice
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 3:29 PM

Get a cat :^))

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Walter Guinon wrote: