NOT for Panoramas

[AYRTON - avi]

Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for NIKON
cameras
but retilinear !!!

What you guys suggest me among the
Sigma 10-20
and Sigma  12-24
or the Nikon 12-24 ???

THANKS
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[hoylekoontz]

--- In [hidden email], AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:
>
> Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for
NIKON
> cameras
> but retilinear !!!
>
> What you guys suggest me among the
> Sigma 10-20
> and Sigma  12-24
> or the Nikon 12-24 ???
>

Ayrton - I have a Tokina 12-24 that I use with my D300.  I'm not
overly impressed.  I've compared it to the Nikon 12-24 that seems to
be much sharper on the edges.  I've read reviews that claim the Tokina
is almost as good as the Nikon for half the price.  That's what I went
with, but I'm not so sure I got a lens that comes close to that
positive review.

Hoyle

[Matthew Rogers-2]

I've compared all current lens in the 10-24mm range and the Nikon is  
the best.

Matt

On 7 May 2008, at 17:11, AYRTON wrote:

> Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for  
> NIKON
> cameras
> but retilinear !!!
>
> What you guys suggest me among the
> Sigma 10-20
> and Sigma 12-24
> or the Nikon 12-24 ???
>
> THANKS
> Cheers
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[Jürgen Eidt]

> I've compared all current lens in the 10-24mm range and the Nikon is
> the best.
But best at what?
The Nikon is excellent at 24mm, but can't beat the Sigma 10-20mm at 10mm if
most of the uses will be at the short end.
There is also the price tag and if a crop lens will do, it can save you
quite some bucks. Note that the Sigma 12-24 is a FF, while the other two are
for APS-C.
You can also check out photozone.de, they have some nice reviews up there.

Viele Grüße
Jürgen

[AYRTON - avi]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:25 PM, hoylekoontz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> --- In [hidden email], AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:
> >
> > Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for
> NIKON
> > cameras
> > but retilinear !!!
> >
> > What you guys suggest me among the
> > Sigma 10-20
> > and Sigma  12-24
> > or the Nikon 12-24 ???
> >
>
> Ayrton - I have a Tokina 12-24 that I use with my D300.  I'm not
> overly impressed.  I've compared it to the Nikon 12-24 that seems to
> be much sharper on the edges.  I've read reviews that claim the Tokina
> is almost as good as the Nikon for half the price.  That's what I went
> with, but I'm not so sure I got a lens that comes close to that
> positive review.

Thanks for the info Hoyle
I appreciatte that.

Cheers
AYRTON

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[AYRTON - avi]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Matthew Rogers <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I've compared all current lens in the 10-24mm range and the Nikon is
> the best.


Yeahhh  I tought so  :-)
But I mostly use the D300 so I was thinking if the extra money it is really
"that" difference ...
But THANKS for the info.
Cheers
AYRTON

>
>
> Matt
>
> On 7 May 2008, at 17:11, AYRTON wrote:
>
> > Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for
> > NIKON
> > cameras
> > but retilinear !!!
> >
> > What you guys suggest me among the
> > Sigma 10-20
> > and Sigma 12-24
> > or the Nikon 12-24 ???
> >
> > THANKS
> > Cheers
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[jook360]

Another note is the Sigma 12-24 can be used on full frame dslrs. I  
use one on a Canon 5D. Very low CA and almost no barrel distortion. I  
don't love the lens but it has it's pluses.

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sigma-12-24mm-f45-56-EX-DG

Jook



On May 7, 2008, at 4:06 PM, AYRTON wrote:

> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Matthew Rogers  
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've compared all current lens in the 10-24mm range and the Nikon is
> > the best.
>
> Yeahhh I tought so :-)
> But I mostly use the D300 so I was thinking if the extra money it  
> is really
> "that" difference ...
> But THANKS for the info.
> Cheers
> AYRTON
>
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On 7 May 2008, at 17:11, AYRTON wrote:
> >
> > > Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens  
> for
> > > NIKON
> > > cameras
> > > but retilinear !!!
> > >
> > > What you guys suggest me among the
> > > Sigma 10-20
> > > and Sigma 12-24
> > > or the Nikon 12-24 ???
> > >
> > > THANKS
> > > Cheers
> > >
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[Roger D. Williams]

On Thu, 08 May 2008 01:11:35 +0900, AYRTON <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens for NIKON
> cameras
> but retilinear !!!
>
> What you guys suggest me among the
> Sigma 10-20
> and Sigma  12-24
> or the Nikon 12-24 ???

You might also like to consider the Tamron 11-18. The range is rather
narrower than some, but is OK if you have the usual 18-70 (or whatever)
to go with it for the wider stuff. I looked at all of these choices,
although I must admit that although I like the image quality of the
Nikon it was outside my price range. I was warned off the Sigma 10-20
by an apparently knowledgeable camera shop assistant, but I have no
experience to back up his opinion.

I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...

Roger W.

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[AYRTON - avi]

Yeah that's a good point to it ...Thanks Jook
Cheers

AYRTON


On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Jook Leung <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Another note is the Sigma 12-24 can be used on full frame dslrs. I
> use one on a Canon 5D. Very low CA and almost no barrel distortion. I
> don't love the lens but it has it's pluses.
>
> http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sigma-12-24mm-f45-56-EX-DG
>
> Jook
>
>
>
> On May 7, 2008, at 4:06 PM, AYRTON wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Matthew Rogers
> > <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've compared all current lens in the 10-24mm range and the Nikon is
> > > the best.
> >
> > Yeahhh I tought so :-)
> > But I mostly use the D300 so I was thinking if the extra money it
> > is really
> > "that" difference ...
> > But THANKS for the info.
> > Cheers
> > AYRTON
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On 7 May 2008, at 17:11, AYRTON wrote:
> > >
> > > > Guys this is kind of OT, butI need to buy a new wide angle lens
> > for
> > > > NIKON
> > > > cameras
> > > > but retilinear !!!
> > > >
> > > > What you guys suggest me among the
> > > > Sigma 10-20
> > > > and Sigma 12-24
> > > > or the Nikon 12-24 ???
> > > >
> > > > THANKS
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
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[AYRTON - avi]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Roger D. Williams <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> You might also like to consider the Tamron 11-18.


Thanks Roger
Do you have one ???
And do you like it ?

I can't find any reviews on that lens ...

Cheers
AYRTON

> The range is rather
> narrower than some, but is OK if you have the usual 18-70 (or whatever)
> to go with it for the wider stuff. I looked at all of these choices,
> although I must admit that although I like the image quality of the
> Nikon it was outside my price range. I was warned off the Sigma 10-20
> by an apparently knowledgeable camera shop assistant, but I have no
> experience to back up his opinion.
>
> I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
> good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
> if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...
>
> Roger W.
>
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> Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
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[Roger D. Williams]

On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:10:27 +0900, AYRTON <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Roger D. Williams <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> You might also like to consider the Tamron 11-18.
>
>
> Thanks Roger
> Do you have one ???
> And do you like it ?
>
> I can't find any reviews on that lens ...

I have it and LOVE it. It is only ever off my D200 when I have my Nikon
10.5mm fisheye on. I do have the set zoom that came with the D200,
18-70mm, but I seldom use it. I'm a wide guy... <g>

Roger W.

> Cheers
> AYRTON
>
>
>
>> The range is rather
>> narrower than some, but is OK if you have the usual 18-70 (or whatever)
>> to go with it for the wider stuff. I looked at all of these choices,
>> although I must admit that although I like the image quality of the
>> Nikon it was outside my price range. I was warned off the Sigma 10-20
>> by an apparently knowledgeable camera shop assistant, but I have no
>> experience to back up his opinion.
>>
>> I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
>> good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
>> if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...
>>
>> Roger W.
>>
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>> Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
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[paul womack]

Roger D. Williams wrote:
> I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
> good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
> if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...

Of course, if one is happy to post-process, other aberrations
can be removed, which might make the decision process
"interesting".

  BugBear

[Roger D. Williams]

On Thu, 08 May 2008 20:14:51 +0900, paul womack <[hidden email]>  
wrote:

> Roger D. Williams wrote:
>> I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
>> good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
>> if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...
>
> Of course, if one is happy to post-process, other aberrations
> can be removed, which might make the decision process
> "interesting".

I don't find post processing at all "interesting" and it might give
you an idea of the extent of the CA problem with this lens if I tell
you that I never bother to remove it. I did, once or twice, to see
if there was any significant difference. The answer is "no."

As I said above, you can FIND it, but you have to LOOK for it.

Roger

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[Sacha Griffin]

CA correction also has the added effect of increasing sharpness throughout
the image, despite the fact you don't see the fringes, which can be a good
thing for wide angles.

 

It wasn't asked, but for the canon side the 10-22 is awesome. I've asked
around if the full frame version.. I think it's the (16 or 15)-35  2.8 is as
good, and I can't seem to find anyone with a good answer except for it's L
and 2.8 so buy it. They would have the same FOV.  I've heard it that the
10-22 uses the same glass composition as an L lens. I think my primary
argument would be that on a crop camera the center optics are used more than
the outside optics like a full frame ccd would show..  So it could be a toss
up for quality, or not. I'd really like to know.

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

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404-551-4275

 

 

 

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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] NOT for Panoramas

 

On Thu, 08 May 2008 20:14:51 +0900, paul womack <[hidden email]
<mailto:pwomack%40papermule.co.uk> >
wrote:

> Roger D. Williams wrote:
>> I like the colour rendition of this lens, and image quality is very
>> good, although you can find chromatic aberration at the outer edges
>> if you zoom in far enough. It's easily removed in RAW, though...
>
> Of course, if one is happy to post-process, other aberrations
> can be removed, which might make the decision process
> "interesting".

I don't find post processing at all "interesting" and it might give
you an idea of the extent of the CA problem with this lens if I tell
you that I never bother to remove it. I did, once or twice, to see
if there was any significant difference. The answer is "no."

As I said above, you can FIND it, but you have to LOOK for it.

Roger

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