Nested Merge Fields

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Nested Merge Fields

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Is this possible?

If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some text in
a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge field in a
report, will both merge fields work or will only the outer one work?

If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?

Thanks!

Steve
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Jonathan Fletcher

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Steve,

Can you show us what you mean?

Do you mean this:

<<Text B <<TextA>>>>

I doubt that would work.

What are you trying to accomplish? Perhaps there's an easier way.

j.

On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

> Is this possible?
>
> If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some text
> in a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge field in a
> report, will both merge fields work or will only the outer one work?
>
> If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
> --
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>
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> the public to be the most anxious for its welfare- Edmund Burke
>
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bfr00

Re: Nested Merge Fields

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> Is this possible?
>
> If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some text in
> a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge field in a
> report, will both merge fields work or will only the outer one work?
>
> If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve

Why don't you tell us what happens when you try it?

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Colin MacGregor

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That sounds like a job for a calculation field, rather than a text
merge.

Kind regards,

Colin

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On 1 Jul 2009, at 18:06, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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I tried it and it didn't work.

Here's what I want to do:

I have 4 types of campuses and each type can receive multiple letters,
each letter having verbiage unique to that campus type. I know I could
do this with a calc fields, but I cannot for the following reasons:

1. There are WAY too many letters, so I would end up with a gazillion
calc fields.
2. Hard-coding the verbiage into calc fields precludes the school
administration from editing them as needed in the future.

So I created a table called LetterContents that has a record structure
as follows:

ID = unique ID#, serial
Letter Title
Page 1 - Text Block 1
Page 1 - Text Block 2
Page 1 - Text Block 3
Page 2 - Text Block 1
Page 2 - Text Block 2
Page 2 - Text Block 3

Each text block field has 4 repetitions, 1 corresponding to each
campus type. When the letter is printed, the campus type automatically
selects the correct version.

Not every letter uses all 3 text blocks, some require only 1, some 2
because there's a small list portal between the 2 blocks, etc.
Occasionally, there is a second page, hence the blocks available for
that.

Each letter has merge fields for the Letter Title and for each block
necessary for that letter.

Sometimes the text in a block needs to have one or more merge fields
within it to insert, say, the campus director's name, address, city,
state, and zip, all of which come from another table.

I know I can add more Text Block fields in the LetterContents table
record and string together a series of merge fields to insert the data
from other tables. I was just hoping to find something more elegant.

And I still have a second issue of formatting individual words and
phrases into boldface, italics, and underline within the text block
when it is inserted via a merge field.

Any thoughts on either?

Thanks!

Steve

On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Can you show us what you mean?
>
> Do you mean this:
>
> <<Text B <<TextA>>>>
>
> I doubt that would work.
>
> What are you trying to accomplish? Perhaps there's an easier way.
>
> j.
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:
>
>> Is this possible?
>>
>> If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some text
>> in a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge field in
>> a report, will both merge fields work or will only the outer one
>> work?
>>
>> If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Steve
>> --
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>>
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>> for the public to be the most anxious for its welfare- Edmund Burke
>>
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Jonathan Fletcher

Re: Nested Merge Fields

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Steve,

Try this:

Assemble your paragraphs into a variable, then run a substitute on the
data in the variable, replacing faux merge field with the correct
data. Then set your page contents to the modified variable and print.

This should enable your two-level merging.

j.

On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

> I tried it and it didn't work.
>
> Here's what I want to do:
>
> I have 4 types of campuses and each type can receive multiple
> letters, each letter having verbiage unique to that campus type. I
> know I could do this with a calc fields, but I cannot for the
> following reasons:
>
> 1. There are WAY too many letters, so I would end up with a
> gazillion calc fields.
> 2. Hard-coding the verbiage into calc fields precludes the school
> administration from editing them as needed in the future.
>
> So I created a table called LetterContents that has a record
> structure as follows:
>
> ID = unique ID#, serial
> Letter Title
> Page 1 - Text Block 1
> Page 1 - Text Block 2
> Page 1 - Text Block 3
> Page 2 - Text Block 1
> Page 2 - Text Block 2
> Page 2 - Text Block 3
>
> Each text block field has 4 repetitions, 1 corresponding to each
> campus type. When the letter is printed, the campus type
> automatically selects the correct version.
>
> Not every letter uses all 3 text blocks, some require only 1, some 2
> because there's a small list portal between the 2 blocks, etc.
> Occasionally, there is a second page, hence the blocks available for
> that.
>
> Each letter has merge fields for the Letter Title and for each block
> necessary for that letter.
>
> Sometimes the text in a block needs to have one or more merge fields
> within it to insert, say, the campus director's name, address, city,
> state, and zip, all of which come from another table.
>
> I know I can add more Text Block fields in the LetterContents table
> record and string together a series of merge fields to insert the
> data from other tables. I was just hoping to find something more
> elegant.
>
> And I still have a second issue of formatting individual words and
> phrases into boldface, italics, and underline within the text block
> when it is inserted via a merge field.
>
> Any thoughts on either?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Can you show us what you mean?
>>
>> Do you mean this:
>>
>> <<Text B <<TextA>>>>
>>
>> I doubt that would work.
>>
>> What are you trying to accomplish? Perhaps there's an easier way.
>>
>> j.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:
>>
>>> Is this possible?
>>>
>>> If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some
>>> text in a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge
>>> field in a report, will both merge fields work or will only the
>>> outer one work?
>>>
>>> If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> --
>>> Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis
>>> stevewillis at mac.com
>>>
>>> It is a general popular error to suppose the loudest complainers
>>> for the public to be the most anxious for its welfare- Edmund Burke
>>>
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/stevewillis/
>>> (520) 891-3721 (cell)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Corn Walker

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On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

> Sometimes the text in a block needs to have one or more merge fields
> within it to insert, say, the campus director's name, address, city,
> state, and zip, all of which come from another table.
>
> I know I can add more Text Block fields in the LetterContents table
> record and string together a series of merge fields to insert the
> data from other tables. I was just hoping to find something more
> elegant.
>
> And I still have a second issue of formatting individual words and
> phrases into boldface, italics, and underline within the text block
> when it is inserted via a merge field.
>
> Any thoughts on either?

<Shameless Plug>

Perhaps something like fmSpark <http://www.seedcode.com/fmSpark> might
do the trick? I think most people buy it for the email functionality,
but it does letters and labels too.

</Shameless Plug>

Cheers,
-corn

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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:

> Assemble your paragraphs into a variable, then run a substitute on
> the data in the variable, replacing faux merge field with the
> correct data. Then set your page contents to the modified variable
> and print.

So I put the paragraphs into a script variable, do my merge
manipulation on the variable, and then get it into the document how?

This may be venturing into an area of FMP10 I'm not familiar with.

Thanks for responding!

Steve
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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Corn Walker wrote:

> <Shameless Plug>
>
> Perhaps something like fmSpark <http://www.seedcode.com/fmSpark>
> might do the trick? I think most people buy it for the email
> functionality, but it does letters and labels too.
>
> </Shameless Plug>

Close but no cigar!

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bfr00

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> I tried it and it didn't work.

You tried WHAT?
You're not giving us much to go on.

> Close but no cigar!

Do you honestly expect anybody to do anything for you with a response like
that?

What do you want to do?

What EXACTLY did you try?

What EXACTLY is close but not close enough?

Are you getting a commission on wasted time?

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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

>> I tried it and it didn't work.
>
> You tried WHAT?
> You're not giving us much to go on.

I tried what you suggested in your earlier email. I inserted a merge
field within one of my text block fields, put the text block field
into my letter as a merge field and put it into Preview mode. No joy.

>> Close but no cigar!

His product won't work for me. It may have appeared to on the surface,
but upon examination, it won't.

> Do you honestly expect anybody to do anything for you with a
> response like that?
>
> What do you want to do?
>
> What EXACTLY did you try?
>
> What EXACTLY is close but not close enough?

Corn Walker's product

> Are you getting a commission on wasted time?

I have explained myself as thoroughly as I can. If that is
insufficient data for you, you, of course, don't have to help.

Considering that you helped me tremendously with my missing items list
problem in the past, I would value your help, though not at the price
of being yelled at.

Obviously, you are having a bad day. Please don't share it.

Steve Willis
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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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I've also determined that boldface, italicized, and underlined text in
the data entry field will retain its formatting when that field is
used as a merge field.

So that problem is solved, thanks!

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On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

> His product won't work for me. It may have appeared to on the
> surface, but upon examination, it won't.

I didn't realize you already own the product, otherwise I wouldn't
have suggested it. I must be misunderstanding your problem though
because I can get fmSpark to do what I think you're describing.

Cheers,
-corn

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Jonathan Fletcher

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PSEUDOCODE (four script steps):

Set Variable [
$letter ;
selectedParagraph1 &
selectedParagraph2 &
selectedParagraph3 &
selectedParagraph4 &
etc.
]

Set Variable [
$letter ;
Substitute (
$letter ;
[ "<name>" ; TextStyle ( company::name ; bold ) ] ;
[ "<address>" ; TextStyle ( company::address ; italic ) ] ;
[ "<city>" ; company::city ] ;
[ "<other>" ; company::other ]
)
]

Set Field [ letter::body ; $letter ]

Print

END PSEUDOCODE

Does that make it clearer, Steve?

j.

On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:

> On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:
>
>> Assemble your paragraphs into a variable, then run a substitute on
>> the data in the variable, replacing faux merge field with the
>> correct data. Then set your page contents to the modified variable
>> and print.
>
>
> So I put the paragraphs into a script variable, do my merge
> manipulation on the variable, and then get it into the document how?
>
> This may be venturing into an area of FMP10 I'm not familiar with.
>
> Thanks for responding!
>
> Steve
> --
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> stevewillis at mac.com
>
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> person you've always been.- If you do the same thing you've always
> done, you'll be the same person you've always been.
>
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>
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bfr00

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>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>
>>> I tried it and it didn't work.
>>
>> You tried WHAT?
>> You're not giving us much to go on.
>
> I tried what you suggested in your earlier email. I inserted a merge
> field within one of my text block fields, put the text block field
> into my letter as a merge field and put it into Preview mode. No joy.

I made no such suggestion.

>>> Close but no cigar!
>
> His product won't work for me. It may have appeared to on the surface,
> but upon examination, it won't.
>
>> Do you honestly expect anybody to do anything for you with a
>> response like that?
>>
>> What do you want to do?
>>
>> What EXACTLY did you try?
>>
>> What EXACTLY is close but not close enough?
>
> Corn Walker's product

That is a useless answer.

>> Are you getting a commission on wasted time?
>
> I have explained myself as thoroughly as I can. If that is
> insufficient data for you, you, of course, don't have to help.
>
> Considering that you helped me tremendously with my missing items list
> problem in the past, I would value your help, though not at the price
> of being yelled at.
>
> Obviously, you are having a bad day. Please don't share it.
>
> Steve Willis

I'm asking you not to waste other people's time.

The way to do this is to provide meaningful descriptions and examples.

We're talking FileMaker; a product that can do almost anything.

What do you want to do? Nobody knows.

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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

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Yes, it does. Thank you! That explains it very nicely.

I appreciate your assistance.

Thanks again!

Steve

On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:

> PSEUDOCODE (four script steps):
>
> Set Variable [
> $letter ;
> selectedParagraph1 &
> selectedParagraph2 &
> selectedParagraph3 &
> selectedParagraph4 &
> etc.
> ]
>
> Set Variable [
> $letter ;
> Substitute (
> $letter ;
> [ "<name>" ; TextStyle ( company::name ; bold ) ] ;
> [ "<address>" ; TextStyle ( company::address ; italic ) ] ;
> [ "<city>" ; company::city ] ;
> [ "<other>" ; company::other ]
> )
> ]
>
> Set Field [ letter::body ; $letter ]
>
> Print
>
> END PSEUDOCODE
>
>
>
> Does that make it clearer, Steve?
>
> j.
>
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis wrote:
>
>> On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote:
>>
>>> Assemble your paragraphs into a variable, then run a substitute on
>>> the data in the variable, replacing faux merge field with the
>>> correct data. Then set your page contents to the modified variable
>>> and print.
>>
>>
>> So I put the paragraphs into a script variable, do my merge
>> manipulation on the variable, and then get it into the document how?
>>
>> This may be venturing into an area of FMP10 I'm not familiar with.
>>
>> Thanks for responding!
>>
>> Steve
>> --
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Mark Stevens (Steve) Willis

Re: Nested Merge Fields

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In reply to this post by bfr00

This is precisely what you told me to do and what I did.

On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

>> Is this possible?
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>> If I have a properly-defined merge field A defined within some text
>> in
>> a text field B, and then place text field B as a merge field in a
>> report, will both merge fields work or will only the outer one work?
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>> If not, is there an easy workaround that will get the same job done?
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>> Thanks!
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>> Steve
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