Pasting formatted text into Rev fields not possible on OS X

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi all,

FYI: I just reported this very nasty bug:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428>

Hope this gets fixed until this evening* :-D
*Or whenever Rev 4 is officially released.


Best

Klaus

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[Jacques Hausser]

Klaus,

I just checked it... and it works perfectly well both from TextEdit to Rev and from Rev to TextEdit, both with drag and drop and copy/paste (MacOS 10.6)

Should I add it to your report ?

Some computers have their idiosyncrasies...

Jacques




Le 11 nov. 2009 à 15:21, Klaus Major a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> FYI: I just reported this very nasty bug:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428>
>
> Hope this gets fixed until this evening* :-D
> *Or whenever Rev 4 is officially released.
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Jacques,

> Klaus,
>
> I just checked it... and it works perfectly well both from TextEdit to Rev and from Rev to TextEdit, both with drag and drop and copy/paste (MacOS 10.6)
> Should I add it to your report ?

Well, that might be a good idea.

> Some computers have their idiosyncrasies...

You bet! :-)

> Jacques


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[Jacques Hausser]

Hi Klaus,

An afterthought: I remember some time ago I had problems with the menu's items after re-loading RunRev after a crash. Some shortcuts didn't work anymore. And finally it was due to problems during the downloading, apparently some parts were not replaced by the new ones. It was solved when I get rid of RunRev completely before re-download it.

Just an idea...

All the best

Jacques

PS: as you already completed your report, I did'nt add redundant imformation ;-)



Le 11 nov. 2009 à 15:52, Klaus Major a écrit :

> Hi Jacques,
>
>> Klaus,
>>
>> I just checked it... and it works perfectly well both from TextEdit to Rev and from Rev to TextEdit, both with drag and drop and copy/paste (MacOS 10.6)
>> Should I add it to your report ?
>
> Well, that might be a good idea.
>
>> Some computers have their idiosyncrasies...
>
> You bet! :-)
>
>> Jacques
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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[Richmond Mathewson-2]

Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> FYI: I just reported this very nasty bug:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428>
>
> Hope this gets fixed until this evening* :-D
> *Or whenever Rev 4 is officially released.
>
>  
Hey; you outdid me this time . . .  :)

I hope "they" are having fun in San Francisco: I am really
"enjoying" myself, chewing my beard here in Bulgaria.

When I think of the money we all (well, not the odd, sensible
German) stumped up to go to Edinburgh it just makes me happy
when I think of it being spent on air tickets out to California and
associated junketings rather than R and D . . .  :)

Remember, ever so softly, mutter to yourself:

"Elastic-sided GANTT charts" and you will discover inner peace!
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NOW: I just ran up a styled text document in Ye Olde Appleworks
on my trusty G4 (colours, italics, funny fonts, different sizes) and
copy-pasted it
across to a scrollable text-field in Studio dp-4 and:

1. Colours were preserved,

2. Italics were preserved,

3.  Different fonts were preserved,

Only the sizes got lost.

Am I reading you right, or do you mean pasting between text fields in
RunRev?
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[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Jacques,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> An afterthought: I remember some time ago I had problems with the menu's items after re-loading RunRev after a crash. Some shortcuts didn't work anymore. And finally it was due to problems during the downloading, apparently some parts were not replaced by the new ones. It was solved when I get rid of RunRev completely before re-download it.
>
> Just an idea...

forgot to mention that this is on OS X 10.6.x,
but it works fine with Rev 3.5!?


A little later...

Just tested this at home and everything works fine,
almost the same machine (MacMini 2009, 4 GB RAM)
and setup as at work, Rev updated via "Check for updates" etc...
WTF???

> All the best
>
> Jacques
>
> PS: as you already completed your report, I did'nt add redundant imformation ;-)

Yo :-)


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[François Chaplais-3]

Le 11 nov. 2009 à 17:17, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :

>
> NOW: I just ran up a styled text document in Ye Olde Appleworks
> on my trusty G4 (colours, italics, funny fonts, different sizes) and copy-pasted it
> across to a scrollable text-field in Studio dp-4 and:
>
> 1. Colours were preserved,
>
> 2. Italics were preserved,
>
> 3.  Different fonts were preserved,
>
> Only the sizes got lost.
>
> Am I reading you right, or do you mean pasting between text fields in RunRev?

interesting test here. Did the same copy paste from appleworks (which is carbon) into rev studio 3.5  (I will upgrade in a few days ;-)) and it kept color, font, style but lost size (which was 48, while the pasted text appeared to between 10 or 12 pt)). When setting the size to 48 inside rev, the text was resized, but the baseline was unchanged, and was much too high.

Now I did the same thing, but from pages '09 (and it is certainly cocoa). Everything was kept, except the baseline. I have to mention that the Pages pasting was done in the rev field just below the paste from AW.

Now, let me see; I put empty into the field thru the msg box and paste (command -c) from Pages into the field. Everything is OK except the baseline which is much too high, i.e., 3/4 of the text disappears atop (?) of the field.

Same thing with dp-4.

Most disturbing is that, even when the text size was supposedly right in rev (i.e. 48pt), the optical size was different (it was smaller in rev). Is this some remnant of a windows v.s. mac point size war?

Boy, this  really is fishy...

Best
        François

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[Devin Asay]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 2:29 PM, François Chaplais wrote:

>
> Le 11 nov. 2009 à 17:17, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
>
>>
>> NOW: I just ran up a styled text document in Ye Olde Appleworks
>> on my trusty G4 (colours, italics, funny fonts, different sizes)  
>> and copy-pasted it
>> across to a scrollable text-field in Studio dp-4 and:
>>
>> 1. Colours were preserved,
>>
>> 2. Italics were preserved,
>>
>> 3.  Different fonts were preserved,
>>
>> Only the sizes got lost.
>>
>> Am I reading you right, or do you mean pasting between text fields  
>> in RunRev?
>
> interesting test here. Did the same copy paste from appleworks  
> (which is carbon) into rev studio 3.5  (I will upgrade in a few  
> days ;-)) and it kept color, font, style but lost size (which was  
> 48, while the pasted text appeared to between 10 or 12 pt)). When  
> setting the size to 48 inside rev, the text was resized, but the  
> baseline was unchanged, and was much too high.
>
> Now I did the same thing, but from pages '09 (and it is certainly  
> cocoa). Everything was kept, except the baseline. I have to mention  
> that the Pages pasting was done in the rev field just below the  
> paste from AW.
>
> Now, let me see; I put empty into the field thru the msg box and  
> paste (command -c) from Pages into the field. Everything is OK  
> except the baseline which is much too high, i.e., 3/4 of the text  
> disappears atop (?) of the field.

What happens if you turn off fixedLineHeight for the field you are  
pasting into?

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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[François Chaplais-3]

>> interesting test here. Did the same copy paste from appleworks (which is carbon) into rev studio 3.5  (I will upgrade in a few days ;-)) and it kept color, font, style but lost size (which was 48, while the pasted text appeared to between 10 or 12 pt)). When setting the size to 48 inside rev, the text was resized, but the baseline was unchanged, and was much too high.
>>
>> Now I did the same thing, but from pages '09 (and it is certainly cocoa). Everything was kept, except the baseline. I have to mention that the Pages pasting was done in the rev field just below the paste from AW.
>>
>> Now, let me see; I put empty into the field thru the msg box and paste (command -c) from Pages into the field. Everything is OK except the baseline which is much too high, i.e., 3/4 of the text disappears atop (?) of the field.
>
> What happens if you turn off fixedLineHeight for the field you are pasting into?
>
> Devin
>

thanks for pointing this to me. The difference is that now (after allowing variable text height) the baseline is always consistent with the optical text size. However, the size info is lost when pasting is done from AppleWorks; and the optical sizes are different (like a 7% error) between the sources and the rev field.
This is on revstudio 3.5 running on snow leopard 10.6.2.

Very best
        François



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[gmccarthy]

Please see the earlier bug that I posted that explains what you are all seeing:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
I posted this originally since I was having problems creating rtf files to import into word due to inexact translation in the font size in runrev.

Note Olivers's comment:
 ------- Comment  #1 From Oliver Kenyon  2008-10-28 06:55:41  [reply] -------
Hi Gerard,
Thanks for the report.
I can confirm this behavior, Revolution seems to converting font sizes through
a number of "fudge factors", both when displaying them and when producing RTF.
We will have to investigate this further so we can work out how to make font
sizes more consistent.
Regards
Oliver


You can download the stack from this bug report and add your own experiments with pasting and put the rtfText in a field and upload your stack to the bug centre for all to compare.
Regards
Gerard McCarthy

[gmccarthy]

There are now 4 bug reports for more problems associated with rtfText problems
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7334
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428

See http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
for specific details of the rtfText translation problem and a stack for demonstrating the rtfText translation problems.

Regards
Gerard McCarthy

[François Chaplais-3]

Le 12 nov. 2009 à 09:13, gmccarthy a écrit :

>
> There are now 4 bug reports for more problems associated with rtfText
> problems
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7334
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428
>
> See http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> for specific details of the rtfText translation problem and a stack for
> demonstrating the rtfText translation problems.
>
> Regards
> Gerard McCarthy
>

has anyone observed the difference between optical size of of fonts between rev and other apps in OS X?
There does not seem to be an entry for this in qacenter.

Best
        François

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[J. Landman Gay]

François Chaplais wrote:

> has anyone observed the difference between optical size of of fonts between rev and other apps in OS X?
> There does not seem to be an entry for this in qacenter.

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609>

Add your comments. :)

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[gmccarthy]

> has anyone observed the difference between optical size of of fonts between rev and other apps in OS X?
> There does not seem to be an entry for this in qacenter.
><http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609>

Yes, this was the whole point of my initial report.  bug 7331
I put it in terms of teh rtfText is actually different so the so called optical size is obviously different.

There are now 5 bug reports for more problems associated with rtfText problems
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7334
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609


To observed optical difference that people are noticing is due to the actual difference in the rtfText values.

See http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
for specific details of the rtfText translation problem and a stack for demonstrating the rtfText translation problems.
Also note the optical differences by dragging the image from teh lower left corner over the field to see that the text is actually different in size.

[François Chaplais-3]

do you work on Windows? In http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428, comment 6 says that RTF is not used for pasting in Mac OS X.

best
        François
Le 13 nov. 2009 à 08:21, gmccarthy a écrit :

>
>
>> has anyone observed the difference between optical size of of fonts
>> between rev and other apps in OS X?
>> There does not seem to be an entry for this in qacenter.
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609>
>
> Yes, this was the whole point of my initial report.  bug 7331
> I put it in terms of teh rtfText is actually different so the so called
> optical size is obviously different.
>
> There are now 5 bug reports for more problems associated with rtfText
> problems
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7334
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609
>
>
> To observed optical difference that people are noticing is due to the actual
> difference in the rtfText values.
>
> See http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> for specific details of the rtfText translation problem and a stack for
> demonstrating the rtfText translation problems.
> Also note the optical differences by dragging the image from teh lower left
> corner over the field to see that the text is actually different in size.

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