Reorganization of the documentation - Ready for review

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mikaelkael

Reorganization of the documentation - Ready for review

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Hi all,

The proposal to reorganize the documentation is now ready for review:
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8947295

The main goals are:
 -simplification of management
 - simplification of translation
 - simplification of rendering

All comments are welcome.

In the same time, I want to give you a link to test a base for a new
translator tool. It isn't an editor ;).
It is a tool to replace the http://framework.zend.com/manual/status.
It is NOT THE tool, it's a base of work. See
http://mikaelkael.dyndns.org/checkzf

Mickael

doctorrock

Re: [zf-contributors] Reorganization of the documentation - Ready for review

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Whao, that's a very nice idea !!
Congrates

Julien.P

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, mikaelkael <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The proposal to reorganize the documentation is now ready for review:
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8947295
>
> The main goals are:
> -simplification of management
> - simplification of translation
> - simplification of rendering
>
> All comments are welcome.
>
> In the same time, I want to give you a link to test a base for a new
> translator tool. It isn't an editor ;).
> It is a tool to replace the http://framework.zend.com/manual/status.
> It is NOT THE tool, it's a base of work. See
> http://mikaelkael.dyndns.org/checkzf
>
> Mickael
>
>
lightflowmark

Re: [zf-contributors] Reorganization of the documentation - Ready for review

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Not sure why you have to treat code samples differently for translation purposes - surely the translation of
/*
*  print 'hello world'
*/
echo 'Hello world';

is something like
/*
*  print 'bonjour le monde'
*/
echo 'bonjour le monde';


(You'll note I don't speak French ...)
and the code samples can be treated exactly the same as any other block of text.

I don't think reducing the number of comments in the text is a good idea at all - you just make the manual less useful for those who can speak English, without adding any benefit for those who can't.

Just my opinion - there may be good reasons for the choice which I don't understand!


If there is going to be a manual reorganisation, can I add a couple of suggestions:
1) put the up & home links (or better yet, breadcrumb trail) at the top of each page, not just the bottom
2) maybe add a 'comments' section or similar to the sections, similar to the PHP manual.  Although there's a huge amount of dross in the PHP manual comments, I found them very useful when I was starting to code.  Not sure if ZF lends itself to such pithy comments & code samples, however.
3) improve the menu.  It would be handy to see the table of contents for a chapter while reading that chapter, rather than having to (scroll to the bottom and) click the 'up' link.  Maybe in that dead space on the left?

Anyway, good work on the reorganisation!



On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, mikaelkael <perraud.mickael@orange.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The proposal to reorganize the documentation is now ready for review:
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8947295
>
> The main goals are:
> -simplification of management
> - simplification of translation
> - simplification of rendering
>
> All comments are welcome.
>
> In the same time, I want to give you a link to test a base for a new
> translator tool. It isn't an editor ;).
> It is a tool to replace the http://framework.zend.com/manual/status.
> It is NOT THE tool, it's a base of work. See
> http://mikaelkael.dyndns.org/checkzf
>
> Mickael
>
>

thomasW

Re: [zf-contributors] Reorganization of the documentation - Ready for review

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This point is already written within the proposal itself for addition.
What we are specially searching for are points which we have not thought of
;-)

Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader, Zend Framework
http://www.thomasweidner.com

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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:10 PM
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2009/3/24 lightflowmark <[hidden email]>:

> 2) maybe add a 'comments' section or similar to the sections, similar to
> the
> PHP manual. Although there's a huge amount of dross in the PHP manual
> comments, I found them very useful when I was starting to code. Not sure
> if
> ZF lends itself to such pithy comments & code samples, however.

I would like to strongly agree with lightflowmark.

IMHO comments on PHP.net are the best source of knowledge. Every part
of the Zend Framework
could be commented by community in similar way. Thanks to it we would
be able to get much more feedback
and make framework more popular.

BTW Some time ago PRADO (PHP Framework) went in the same direction,
putting comments to the quick-start documentation.

Cheers
Jakub