Roadmap

[Esteban A. Maringolo]

Do AIDA have a roadmap? (improvements, refactorings, etc).

Best Regards,

Esteban
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[Nicolas Petton]

Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008 à 21:49 -0300, Esteban A. Maringolo a
écrit :
> Do AIDA have a roadmap? (improvements, refactorings, etc).

No, we keep it in our todo list, but it's not written on the website or
anywhere else.

Fortunately, a SPM (Squeak Project Manager) website dedicated to Aida
should be there soon (I just have to start it and configure it).

Then we'll have tickets, online code browsing and monticello
integration, roadmap, wiki, timeline, etc


Cheers!

Nico
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[Janko Mivšek]

Hi Esteban,

We don't have a roadmap in terms of deadlines, but we have directions
and priorities. You can also look at my ESUG08 presentation[1], but let
me put out some I have in mind right now (including wishes):

Aida/Web:
--------

- more internationalization, specially with translation support, to have
  web apps on more than one language fast and easy.

- tree-like control flow, to close the last gap to the competition :)

- form validation support with callbacks and Ajax visual feedback

- more Ajax, more standalone components

- on the fly installation/unloading of applications and additional
components directly from the admin/configuration web pages. No need to
deal with Smalltalk image directly, which is good for non-programmer
users of Aida web systems.

- Scaffolding, that is initial code generation of your web app before
you start coding manually

- Visual web app building, as extension of scaffolding?

- Magritte support

- Smalltalk Community support with project like SPM, Smalltalk People,
Smalltalk code on the Web, at the end maybe even a Smalltalk portal,
with all that combined? Well, this one is very very long-term goal, but
very needed for the Smalltalk community as a whole!


Aida/Scribo:
-----------

- more end user friendliness, you don't need to be a Smalltalker to use it!

- more plugins, more scriblets

- persistence support, from image, file based, to Gemstone. Magma too?

- preprepared design templates to easy choose and swithc on-the-fly.
Better support for using Wordpress and Joomla templates, preparing some
of them for Scribo.

Did I miss something?

And yes, it is a time to put that on some web page, being on SPM or main
  wesite. Shall we name it Roadmap anyway? Maybe most of people prefer
this name instead of Directions. A Roadmap without deadlines therefore,
or maybe a "floating" Roadmap :)

Janko

[1] http://www.aidaweb.si/articles.html, AIDA/Web 6.0, That's How the
Web Works!

nico wrote:
> Esteban A. Maringolo a écrit :

>> Do AIDA have a roadmap? (improvements, refactorings, etc).

> No, we keep it in our todo list, but it's not written on the website or
> anywhere else.
>
> Fortunately, a SPM (Squeak Project Manager) website dedicated to Aida
> should be there soon (I just have to start it and configure it).
>
> Then we'll have tickets, online code browsing and monticello
> integration, roadmap, wiki, timeline, etc
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico

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[GeertC]

I have just stumbled on this older "roadmap" post and I was wondering how AidaWeb 6.0 is going towards Magritte support?

I have to say that I am also really interested in the visual web app building roadmap item?  What are the idea's plan around this one?

Janko Mivsek wrote:

...

Aida/Web:
--------
- more internationalization, specially with translation support, to have
  web apps on more than one language fast and easy.

- tree-like control flow, to close the last gap to the competition :)

- form validation support with callbacks and Ajax visual feedback

- more Ajax, more standalone components

- on the fly installation/unloading of applications and additional
components directly from the admin/configuration web pages. No need to
deal with Smalltalk image directly, which is good for non-programmer
users of Aida web systems.

- Scaffolding, that is initial code generation of your web app before
you start coding manually

- Visual web app building, as extension of scaffolding?

- Magritte support

- Smalltalk Community support with project like SPM, Smalltalk People,
Smalltalk code on the Web, at the end maybe even a Smalltalk portal,
with all that combined? Well, this one is very very long-term goal, but
very needed for the Smalltalk community as a whole!

...

[Nicolas Petton]

Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 15:27 -0700, GeertC a écrit :
> I have just stumbled on this older "roadmap" post and I was wondering how
> AidaWeb 6.0 is going towards Magritte support?
>
> I have to say that I am also really interested in the visual web app
> building roadmap item?  What are the idea's plan around this one?

Those items are still in the roadmap. Unfortunately, we didn't start yet
to work on that.

Cheers!

Nico
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[Janko Mivšek]

GeertC pravi:

> I have just stumbled on this older "roadmap" post and I was wondering how
> AidaWeb 6.0 is going towards Magritte support?

I thought about that but currently no time for much more.

I namely thought about something like Magritte-Lite, with just type
definitions for automatic validation support, which will hopefully soon
be added to Aida. Here I feel that Magritte can help without introducing
much  unecessary complexity. But again, this is only my feeling because
I don't know Magritte well enough yet. Any help here is very appreciated.

> I have to say that I am also really interested in the visual web app
> building roadmap item?  What are the idea's plan around this one?

Here I expect to start with scaffolding according to well defined Aida
app patterns. Those patterns shall first be documented and supported by
good examples, then scaffolding will be easy to add.

Scaffolding is namely much easier to develop and with bigger effect than
visual app builder. For later I'd also look around for some visual
builder which can be adapted to our needs. It even doesn't need to be a
Smalltalk one,  but pure JavaScript, for example.

In any case, the deadline for 6.0 final should be ESUG Brest at the end
of August and until then we need to finish few strategically important
things first:

        - tree-like control flow
        - translation support

I also hope that we will manage to include the work Alex and Herbert are
currently doing concerning the introduction of action blocks (aka
callbacks), portable around all Smalltalks.

Also, the auto validation support is something which I'd like to have in
this version too. Which sounds close to above mentioned action blocks,
so it should be easy ...

Best regards
Janko

>
> Janko Mivsek wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Aida/Web:
>> --------
>> - more internationalization, specially with translation support, to have
>>   web apps on more than one language fast and easy.
>>
>> - tree-like control flow, to close the last gap to the competition :)
>>
>> - form validation support with callbacks and Ajax visual feedback
>>
>> - more Ajax, more standalone components
>>
>> - on the fly installation/unloading of applications and additional
>> components directly from the admin/configuration web pages. No need to
>> deal with Smalltalk image directly, which is good for non-programmer
>> users of Aida web systems.
>>
>> - Scaffolding, that is initial code generation of your web app before
>> you start coding manually
>>
>> - Visual web app building, as extension of scaffolding?
>>
>> - Magritte support
>>
>> - Smalltalk Community support with project like SPM, Smalltalk People,
>> Smalltalk code on the Web, at the end maybe even a Smalltalk portal,
>> with all that combined? Well, this one is very very long-term goal, but
>> very needed for the Smalltalk community as a whole!
>>
>> ...
>>
>

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