Shifting gears

[C4RL05]

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[.am]

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Really happy to know Ben is on the team, from all the work he have been doing it was  good hopes for the 3.0. Nice to have it on github also. Hope that the open-source openness bring more people to come over and enrich the pv project, although I guess it will require plus effort to manage it all.

glad to see this moving on again : )

(...will we see some "pixelvision" stuff as Ben done in his projects, or the plans are to keep the engine pure actionscript? I just can't old-on all the questions :P)

.am

On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Carlos Ulloa wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of direction and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

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[xero]

i dont agree.

lots of people use twitter as a news feed,

like the hacker news network http://twitter.com/ThisIsHNN

also, we use twitter here @ work as a worklog.

we just tween what peojects we're working on,

and exactly what we're doing. it's been a great

time management system.

 

so keep on tweeting...

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:41:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Shifting gears
twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages
On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

C4

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[CyberPunK-2]

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I do agree with xero.

 

The mailing list is great for the “big announcments”, letting the rest of us to discuss about it. Twitter is, like xero said, a live feed of what’s is going on. I would hate to receive messages on the rate I receive twitter feeds.

 

Also, I don’t see the IRC channel as a way to find solutions to our problems or answer to our questions. It’s more a way to hang over with other fellow papervisioneers at chat about what’s going on in general. Personally I don’t have much time for that and I’m sorry of this.

 

As for the forum, we can use nabble to harvest the mailing list as if it were a forum and I think that we need nothing more than that.

 

My 2 cents, cheers everyone :)

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of xero
Sent: venerdì 16 ottobre 2009 20.18
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Shifting gears

 

i dont agree.

lots of people use twitter as a news feed,

like the hacker news network http://twitter.com/ThisIsHNN

also, we use twitter here @ work as a worklog.

we just tween what peojects we're working on,

and exactly what we're doing. it's been a great

time management system.

 

so keep on tweeting...

*balk balk balk!*

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From: Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:41:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Shifting gears
twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages
On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
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and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

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Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d developers come join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont have a irc client join it with pv3d webchat this. The more people the more joy.

C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of direction  
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http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

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Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d developers come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont have a irc
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>
> Hello,
>
> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of direction
> and future plans.
>
> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>
> Thanks,
>
> C4
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[Mark I. Ross]

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
> anything.
> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
> yours
> Mr Grumpy
>
> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>
>>
>> Aloha Carlos,
>>
>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>
>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d developers
>> come
>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont have a
>> irc
>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d webchat
>>  this.
>> The more people the more joy.
>>
>>
>> C4RL05 wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Please read the following blog post regarding our change of direction
>> > and future plans.
>> >
>> >
>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > C4
>> >
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[Lindquist]

Ouch Mark, you hurt my feelings :(

I guess I just won't post any updates anymore since it's so pointless.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
> anything.
> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
> yours
> Mr Grumpy
>
> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>
>>
>> Aloha Carlos,
>>
>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>
>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d developers
>> come
>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont have a
>> irc
>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d webchat
>>  this.
>> The more people the more joy.
>>
>>
>> C4RL05 wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Please read the following blog post regarding our change of direction
>> > and future plans.
>> >
>> >
>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > C4
>> >
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[Mark I. Ross]

haha just kidding man.  I'm just another twitter avoider (like the year
2000 version of a draft dodger?)  :)

> Ouch Mark, you hurt my feelings :(
>
> I guess I just won't post any updates anymore since it's so pointless.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>> surely
>> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a history of
>> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>>
>> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when there
>> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>> disseminating information  ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mark
>>
>>
>> > Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>> > anything.
>> > If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>> > yours
>> > Mr Grumpy
>> >
>> > 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Aloha Carlos,
>> >>
>> >> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>> >>
>> >> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>> developers
>> >> come
>> >> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont have
>> a
>> >> irc
>> >> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d webchat
>> >>  this.
>> >> The more people the more joy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> C4RL05 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> >
>> >> > Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>> direction
>> >> > and future plans.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > C4
>> >> >
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[Mark I. Ross]

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

> say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>>
>> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>> surely
>> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
>> history of
>> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>>
>> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
>> there
>> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>> disseminating information  ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mark
>>
>>
>>> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>>> anything.
>>> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>>> yours
>>> Mr Grumpy
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aloha Carlos,
>>>>
>>>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>>>
>>>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>>>> developers
>>>> come
>>>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
>>>> have a
>>>> irc
>>>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
>>>> webchat
>>>> this.
>>>> The more people the more joy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C4RL05 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>>>>> direction
>>>>> and future plans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> C4
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[Ross Sclafani]

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages
On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

>
> Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are  
> already
> on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates  
> here?
>
> I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
> communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big  
> thing or
> whatever, and if people like twitter then great.
>
> But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
> this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not  
> continue to
> use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another  
> communication
> channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to  
> get
> info.
>
> So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
> - papervision news blog,
> - papervision dev blog,
> - pv3d.org blog,
> - this mailing list,
> - and a twitter feed?
>
> Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good  
> course of
> action?
>
> As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)
>
> Cheers,
> mark
>
>> say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>>> surely
>>> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
>>> history of
>>> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>>>
>>> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
>>> there
>>> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>>> disseminating information  ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
>>>> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>>>> anything.
>>>> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>>>> yours
>>>> Mr Grumpy
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aloha Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>>>>> developers
>>>>> come
>>>>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
>>>>> have a
>>>>> irc
>>>>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
>>>>> webchat
>>>>> this.
>>>>> The more people the more joy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C4RL05 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>>>>>> direction
>>>>>> and future plans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4
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[Lindquist]

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

C4

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As far as the twitter account is concerned, look at what's already been posted: http://twitter.com/Papervision3D If that stuff interests you, then follow, if not, you won't miss any big announcements.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, John Lindquist <[hidden email]> wrote:

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

C4

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Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

cool! :)

i missed that mail, sorry.

i took a look to the submitted ideas but it's empty... -.-'

are you relying on that for "official" feature requests?

pigiuz

On 15/ott/09, at 17:46, John Lindquist wrote:

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

C4

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Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

ok, sorry...it all appeared as i logged in ::embarassed::

:D

On 15/ott/09, at 17:46, John Lindquist wrote:

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

C4

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no, wait, actually nothing has been posted, both ideas are defaults by uservoice :\

(sorry for the multimailing)

On 15/ott/09, at 17:46, John Lindquist wrote:

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

Thanks,

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Yes, that will be the place for feature requests (although it's not really been announced). We saw Unity's feature request system (http://feedback.unity3d.com/pages/unity) and thought we could mimic that. Seems to be a good solution.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Piergiorgio Niero <[hidden email]> wrote:

no, wait, actually nothing has been posted, both ideas are defaults by uservoice :\

(sorry for the multimailing)

On 15/ott/09, at 17:46, John Lindquist wrote:

@piguiz - We just set this up a couple days ago for submitting and voting on features:

http://papervision3d.uservoice.com/pages/30836-features

I imagine it will get messy REALLY quickly, so we still need to figure out a system to parse it into a proper roadmap, but this at least gets it out there.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ross Sclafani <[hidden email]> wrote:

twitter isnt a news resource.
its twitter. fun for all ages

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
surely
be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
history of
discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.

Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
there
are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
disseminating information  ;)

Cheers,
mark

Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
anything.
If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
yours
Mr Grumpy

2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>

Aloha Carlos,

Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)

Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
developers
come
join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
have a
irc
client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
webchat
this.
The more people the more joy.


C4RL05 wrote:

Hello,

Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
direction
and future plans.

http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/

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[Lindquist]

- papervision news blog = big announcements
- papervision dev blog = more of a community showcase and dev news
- pv3d.org blog = examples
- this mailing list = community back and forth
- and a twitter feed = project status updates

and don't forget forum.papervision3d.org = for people more comfortable with a forum

Imagine what it would be like if we tried to consolidate all of that into one system?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?

I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
whatever, and if people like twitter then great.

But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
info.

So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
- papervision news blog,
- papervision dev blog,
- pv3d.org blog,
- this mailing list,
- and a twitter feed?

Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
action?

As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)

Cheers,
mark

> say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D

>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>>
>> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>> surely
>> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
>> history of
>> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>>
>> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
>> there
>> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>> disseminating information  ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mark
>>
>>
>>> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>>> anything.
>>> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>>> yours
>>> Mr Grumpy
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aloha Carlos,
>>>>
>>>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>>>
>>>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>>>> developers
>>>> come
>>>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
>>>> have a
>>>> irc
>>>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
>>>> webchat
>>>> this.
>>>> The more people the more joy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C4RL05 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>>>>> direction
>>>>> and future plans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> C4
>>>>>
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[Mark I. Ross]

Yeah, I can imagine it, and it would be great.

Imagine just going to one URL (the forum would seem to be ideal since you
can have multiple sub-forums) and being able to get all that information
and help.

Seems like the dream!  :)

> - papervision news blog = big announcements
> - papervision dev blog = more of a community showcase and dev news
> - pv3d.org blog = examples
> - this mailing list = community back and forth
> - and a twitter feed = project status updates
>
> and don't forget forum.papervision3d.org = for people more comfortable
> with
> a forum
>
> Imagine what it would be like if we tried to consolidate all of that into
> one system?
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are
>> already
>> on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?
>>
>> I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
>> communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing
>> or
>> whatever, and if people like twitter then great.
>>
>> But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
>> this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
>> use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
>> channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
>> info.
>>
>> So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
>> - papervision news blog,
>> - papervision dev blog,
>> - pv3d.org blog,
>> - this mailing list,
>> - and a twitter feed?
>>
>> Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course
>> of
>> action?
>>
>> As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mark
>>
>> > say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D
>> >
>> > On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>> >> surely
>> >> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
>> >> history of
>> >> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
>> >> there
>> >> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>> >> disseminating information  ;)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> mark
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>> >>> anything.
>> >>> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>> >>> yours
>> >>> Mr Grumpy
>> >>>
>> >>> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Aloha Carlos,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>> >>>> developers
>> >>>> come
>> >>>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
>> >>>> have a
>> >>>> irc
>> >>>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
>> >>>> webchat
>> >>>> this.
>> >>>> The more people the more joy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> C4RL05 wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>> >>>>> direction
>> >>>>> and future plans.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4
>> >>>>>
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[slopester]

seconded.
do whatever but plz keep the mailing list - I've never really needed
anything else  :o)

slopes

----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Shifting gears

>
> Dude that doesn't even mean anything - if it's 178 people that are already
> on this mailing list, couldn't we just broadcast any small updates here?
>
> I simply don't understand the desire to fragment the channels of
> communication.  I know the internet is all about the next new big thing or
> whatever, and if people like twitter then great.
>
> But really the effort was already invested to get people to sign up to
> this very mailing list to get updates, then why would we not continue to
> use it?  I just don't understand what starting yet another communication
> channel gains us aside from dividing up where people have to look to get
> info.
>
> So now to get info about papervision, I need to read the:
> - papervision news blog,
> - papervision dev blog,
> - pv3d.org blog,
> - this mailing list,
> - and a twitter feed?
>
> Please, can anyone explain to me how this is a rational and good course of
> action?
>
> As always, just my 2 cents.  Take with a grain of salt  ;)
>
> Cheers,
> mark
>
>> say that to 176 followers... sorry 178 :D
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say that the IRC channel is pointless, but a forum would
>>> surely
>>> be a lot more effective for answering questions and keeping a
>>> history of
>>> discussions, etc, than either an IRC channel or a mailing list.
>>>
>>> Now what is pointless is adding a twitter feed for "updates" when
>>> there
>>> are already two blogs, a mailing list, and an IRC channel for
>>> disseminating information  ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
>>>> Each to there own, but that irc thing is pointless. Nobody answers
>>>> anything.
>>>> If only we had a forum to announce stuff and help each other!
>>>> yours
>>>> Mr Grumpy
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/15 speedok <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aloha Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good stuff, thanks for letting us know :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also if people want to talk live about pv3d with other pv3d
>>>>> developers
>>>>> come
>>>>> join us at irc #papervision3d at freenode server or if you dont
>>>>> have a
>>>>> irc
>>>>> client join it with  http://pv3dchat.flashbookmarks.com/ pv3d
>>>>> webchat
>>>>> this.
>>>>> The more people the more joy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C4RL05 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read the following blog post regarding our change of
>>>>>> direction
>>>>>> and future plans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.papervision3d.org/2009/10/13/papervision3d-is-shifting-gears/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4
>>>>>>
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