Stitching water

[Guillaume Fulchiron]

Hi all,

I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put  these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of waves... a nightmare :-(

Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
(shot with 180mm)

So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to achieve a decent result ?

TIA

G.

[Sacha Griffin]

Lol, that sucks to need to stitch that.

The method here, is to NOT attempt manual head movement ie (non bearing,pin
registered head), and stitch to a template.

For "blending" not stitching, you'll have to use layers and your artistic
ability to mask in the appropriate waves, and or copy paste waves so they
are in the same rise and fall.

Your blends also appear more dense/dark, which is either due to overlap? Or
vignette? I would use photoshops blender here instead to avoid any overlap
combination so that details won't be muddied together. In fact, if you have
the stitch right, that would be my first step before manual masks and edits.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:24 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Stitching water

 

  Hi all,

I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
waves... a nightmare :-(

Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
(shot with 180mm)

So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
achieve a decent result ?

TIA

G.



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[prague]

Get a bottle of whisky and line up the images manually in the pano editor.

try not to spill the whisky on your keyboard. after the bottle becomes more
empty, the images will line up better. not too much whisky or you'll forget
something very important.


(seriously, it works. also with sky. beer also)

Jeffrey Martin
www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
tel. [phone] / skype jeffrey.s.martin


 Stitching water
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guillaume_fulchiron
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(PST)

Hi all,

I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
waves... a nightmare :-(

Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
(shot with 180mm)

So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
achieve a decent result ?

TIA

G.


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[needakeeper]

Don't forget the free transform button when you paste.  That little tool was a saving grace when I had to rebuild burned out fountain lights on a pool.

Without it, I might have been hunting for something stronger than Tang!


Stephani

--- In [hidden email], "guillaume_fulchiron" <guillaume.fulchiron@...> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put  these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to achieve a decent result ?
>
> TIA
>
> G.
>

[needakeeper]

Jeffrey, I nearly spit my water out when I read this.  Glad I wasn't sitting right over my keyboard!

Stephani

--- In [hidden email], "Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net" <360cities@...> wrote:

>
> Get a bottle of whisky and line up the images manually in the pano editor.
>
> try not to spill the whisky on your keyboard. after the bottle becomes more
> empty, the images will line up better. not too much whisky or you'll forget
> something very important.
>
>
> (seriously, it works. also with sky. beer also)
>
> Jeffrey Martin
> www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
> tel. [phone] / skype jeffrey.s.martin
>
>
>  Stitching water
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/message/34128;_ylc=X3oDMTJzb2kycTg1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4MjI3ODQ4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTAwNjQ5NgRtc2dJZAMzNDEyOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjU3NDM0MjYx>
> Posted
> by: "guillaume_fulchiron" guillaume.fulchiron@...
> <guillaume.fulchiron@...?Subject=+Re%3AStitching%20water>
> guillaume_fulchiron
> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/guillaume_fulchiron>  Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:23 am
> (PST)
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
> waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
> achieve a decent result ?
>
> TIA
>
> G.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[luca vascon-3]

I agree with Jeffrey.
But I'd use Grappa. De Dominis or Storica Nera.
Otherwise a yellow Bassanina is good too.
;-P
no joke, is the True Way to resolve stitching problems like that.

In theses cases correction of lens vignetting is mandatory.
When shootinf, if you shoot with a wider angle lens the problematic
zones, you can have either a backup either a track for stitching.
I usually stitch together the telelens and an oversampled normal or
wideangle pano.



2009/11/5 needakeeper <[hidden email]>:

>
>
> Jeffrey, I nearly spit my water out when I read this.  Glad I wasn't sitting right over my keyboard!
>
> Stephani
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net" <360cities@...> wrote:
>>
>> Get a bottle of whisky and line up the images manually in the pano editor.
>>
>> try not to spill the whisky on your keyboard. after the bottle becomes more
>> empty, the images will line up better. not too much whisky or you'll forget
>> something very important.
>>
>>
>> (seriously, it works. also with sky. beer also)
>>
>> Jeffrey Martin
>> www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
>> tel. [phone] / skype jeffrey.s.martin
>>
>>
>>  Stitching water
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/message/34128;_ylc=X3oDMTJzb2kycTg1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4MjI3ODQ4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTAwNjQ5NgRtc2dJZAMzNDEyOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjU3NDM0MjYx>
>> Posted
>> by: "guillaume_fulchiron" guillaume.fulchiron@...
>> <guillaume.fulchiron@...?Subject=+Re%3AStitching%20water>
>> guillaume_fulchiron
>> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/guillaume_fulchiron>  Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:23 am
>> (PST)
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
>> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
>> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
>> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
>> waves... a nightmare :-(
>>
>> Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
>> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
>> (shot with 180mm)
>>
>> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
>> achieve a decent result ?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> G.
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
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Luca Vascon.

www.canalview.it
www.officinepanottiche.com

[Bernhard Vogl-2]

Hello Guillaume,

Basically, you may do the same as with unstitchable skies & clouds:
Roughly arrange the images in the editor to ensure the images are
overlapping - and let the blender do the rest.
At least, this always worked for me as long as there are no moving
subjects in the water that are creating backwash...

Best
Bernhard

guillaume_fulchiron schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put  these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to achieve a decent result ?
>
> TIA
>
> G.
>
>  

[crane-2]

Quoting Bernhard Vogl <[hidden email]>:

that looks tricky with all those wavy bits. photographing the sea I've waited
for the next wave to be in a similar place but that river looks another matter.

mick

> Hello Guillaume,
>
> Basically, you may do the same as with unstitchable skies & clouds:
> Roughly arrange the images in the editor to ensure the images are
> overlapping - and let the blender do the rest.
> At least, this always worked for me as long as there are no moving
> subjects in the water that are creating backwash...
>
> Best
> Bernhard
>
> guillaume_fulchiron schrieb:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
> waves... a nightmare :-(
> >
> > Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> > http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> > (shot with 180mm)
> >
> > So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
> achieve a decent result ?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > G.
> >
> >  
>
>
>
>
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[Bernhard Vogl-2]

As soon as you start thinking about it, it won't work any more - Or, in
other words: as soon as you start to counter-act while shooting things
will get worse.  ;-)

Here's a low res sample of an even more critical water surface. As long
as you don't know where to look at, you won't notice the faulty areas:
http://dativ.at/temp/20090820-01_170-images_Zylindrisch_107.53x48.78.jpg

Best
Bernhard

[hidden email] schrieb:

> Quoting Bernhard Vogl <[hidden email]>:
>
> that looks tricky with all those wavy bits. photographing the sea I've waited
> for the next wave to be in a similar place but that river looks another matter.
>
> mick
>
>
>
>  
>> Hello Guillaume,
>>
>> Basically, you may do the same as with unstitchable skies & clouds:
>> Roughly arrange the images in the editor to ensure the images are
>> overlapping - and let the blender do the rest.
>> At least, this always worked for me as long as there are no moving
>> subjects in the water that are creating backwash...
>>
>> Best
>> Bernhard
>>
>> guillaume_fulchiron schrieb:
>>    
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
>>>      
>> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
>> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
>> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
>> waves... a nightmare :-(
>>    
>>> Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
>>> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
>>> (shot with 180mm)
>>>
>>> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
>>>      
>> achieve a decent result ?
>>    
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> G.
>>>
>>>  
>>>      
>>
>>
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>>
>>    
>
>  

[panovrx-2]

--- In [hidden email], "guillaume_fulchiron" <guillaume.fulchiron@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put  these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what  I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
Yes if you use Smartblend or Enblend it should do a better job than that re the global brightness transitions. It is the fine ripple detail that is the main problem I would think. The Healing Brush tool might be useful, or a lot of small copy/pasting. With beach scenes watching the waves so they are sort of the same is the way to go. Or use a full circle lens so you get the whole wave line in one shot -- like this little planet view of Bondi Beach -- the top half of the frame is effectively one shot originally.
http://www.mediavr.com/littleplanet18.jpg

PeterM

[crane-2]

Quoting Bernhard Vogl <[hidden email]>:

> As soon as you start thinking about it, it won't work any more - Or, in
> other words: as soon as you start to counter-act while shooting things
> will get worse.  ;-)

that is some sort of zen approach I'm not sure will be successful considering
that the act of taking the photograph is not the creative action but the
neccessary technical action.
;-)

mick

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[Trausti Hraunfjord]

One learns as long as one lives.  Now I finally seem to have a reason to
start drinking from my 100+ bottle home bar.  Just need to shoot some wavy
waters panos first, to build the basis for the "REASON" I can give my wife
for all the sipping.

More good advices on that path would be good.

Trausti

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Get a bottle of whisky and line up the images manually in the pano editor.
>
> try not to spill the whisky on your keyboard. after the bottle becomes more
> empty, the images will line up better. not too much whisky or you'll forget
> something very important.
>
> (seriously, it works. also with sky. beer also)
>
> Jeffrey Martin
> www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
> tel. [phone] / skype jeffrey.s.martin
>
> Stitching water
> <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/message/34128;_ylc=X3oDMTJzb2kycTg1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4MjI3ODQ4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTAwNjQ5NgRtc2dJZAMzNDEyOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjU3NDM0MjYx
> >
> Posted
> by: "guillaume_fulchiron" [hidden email]<guillaume.fulchiron%40free.fr>
> <[hidden email] <guillaume.fulchiron%40free.fr>
> ?Subject=+Re%3AStitching%20water>
> guillaume_fulchiron
> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/guillaume_fulchiron> Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:23 am
> (PST)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
> waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
> achieve a decent result ?
>
> TIA
>
> G.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

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[John Riley-2]

On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Bernhard Vogl wrote:

> As soon as you start thinking about it, it won't work any more - Or,  
> in
> other words: as soon as you start to counter-act while shooting things
> will get worse. ;-)


This sounds like a hybrid of Murphy's Law and the Heisenberg  
Uncertainty Principle 8-)

John

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[Dave 360texas.com-2]

I think your Hybrid Law reference is a good point.

For a better understandng of Heisenber Uncertainty Principle
http://my.morningside.edu/slaven/Physics/uncertainty/uncertainty6.html

--- In [hidden email], John Riley <johnriley@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Bernhard Vogl wrote:
>
> > As soon as you start thinking about it, it won't work any more - Or,  
> > in
> > other words: as soon as you start to counter-act while shooting things
> > will get worse. ;-)
>
>
> This sounds like a hybrid of Murphy's Law and the Heisenberg  
> Uncertainty Principle 8-)
>
> John
>
> John Riley
> johnriley@...
> (h)864-461-3504
> (c)864-431-7075
> (w)864-503-5775
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Guillaume Fulchiron]

Thank you all for your replies.

BTW, I only took cafeine and to many cigarettes until I quit the battle at 3 AM last night... But you know what ? I just got a bottle of old Rhum from my ex wife who came back from French West Indies this morning ! (Hey guys, always keep good relationship from ex... ;-)


"Sacha Griffin" <sachagriffin@...> wrote:
>
> Lol, that sucks to need to stitch that.
>
> The method here, is to NOT attempt manual head movement ie (non bearing,pin
> registered head), and stitch to a template.

You're right, but unfortunately I did it manual... Kind of zen attitude for this +200 images pano.

>
> Your blends also appear more dense/dark, which is either due to overlap? Or
> vignette?

I'd say wrong overlap as I moved these images manually in the Panorama Editor and they have no CPs.
Or how can you explain that in another part of the same pano water appears ok to me :
http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water2.jpg
(I didn't create it at full size yet)

From: "Bernhard Vogl" <[hidden email]>
>
> Basically, you may do the same as with unstitchable skies & clouds:
> Roughly arrange the images in the editor to ensure the images are
> overlapping - and let the blender do the rest.


Bernhard, it's what I did.
And now I wonder if it's not more a problem of wrong overlaping due to my manual turning head shooting than a stitcher problem. It was the end of the shot, I think my zen attitude has reached its limit ;-)

Well, I guess I won a tough layers and mask play in Photoshop !
But with a sweet West Indies taste in mouth... no fear ;-)

Cheers,

G.

>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of guillaume_fulchiron
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:24 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Stitching water
>
>  
>
>   Hi all,
>
> I'm facing a stitching problem with a flat panorama : the down part of the
> pano is a river witout any control point possibilities, only many moving
> small waves. PTGui did not generate any CP in this area. So I manually put
> these images at the right place trying to find CPs between thousands of
> waves... a nightmare :-(
>
> Here's a crop of what I got after hours of tries (high contrast jpg) :
> http://www.animatif.com/temp/stitch/crop_water.jpg
> (shot with 180mm)
>
> So I'm looking for advices from stitching experts here, what could I do to
> achieve a decent result ?
>
> TIA
>
> G.

[Paul Fretheim]

I really like the whiskey idea.  And remember, triple distilled Smirnoff
vodka is distilled for exceptional smoothness, so it makes an excellent
lens and sensor cleaner as it is unlikely that anything that smooth
would scratch your lenses!

Paul Fretheim

> Get a bottle of whisky and line up the images manually in the pano editor.
>
> try not to spill the whisky on your keyboard. after the bottle becomes
> more
> empty, the images will line up better. not too much whisky or you'll
> forget
> something very important.
>
>
>       Jeffrey Martin
>

[Paul Fretheim]

//Are you you don't mean the Heidelberg Uncertainty Principle?

Paul Fretheim

/

> /> As soon as you start thinking about it, it won't work any more - Or,
> > in
> > other words: as soon as you start to counter-act while shooting things
> > will get worse. ;-)
>
> This sounds like a hybrid of Murphy's Law and the Heisenberg
> Uncertainty Principle 8-)
>
> John
>
> John Riley
> [hidden email] <mailto:johnriley%40chesnet.net>
> (h)864-461-3504
> (c)864-431-7075
> (w)864-503-5775/

/

[Keith Martin-2]

Sometime around 6/11/09 (at 10:17 -0800) Paul Fretheim said:

>Are you you don't mean the Heidelberg Uncertainty Principle?

Very nice! I'll keep that handy for the appropriate moment when
dealing with the Heidelberg presses in the print rooms here at
college. ;-)

k

[Bernhard Vogl-2]

John Riley schrieb:
> This sounds like a hybrid of Murphy's Law and the Heisenberg  
> Uncertainty Principle 8-)
>
>  
...and stitching the panorama is like checking if Schrödinger's cat is
alive...  :-)