can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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Hallo Experts

I went into my client's office yesterday to do some fairly straight-
forward development work on his company's workflow database, and I was
hit by two very interesting questions.

I would be very grateful if someone here can answer them.

The first question is as in the subject of this email. I can see how
to make swatches using RGB, but it has to be CMYK. They've given me a
Pantone library with all the relevant colour names and numbers, and
the CMYK figures.

This library will be edited from time to time, and so FileMaker has to
be able to do this on the fly, and not by having a library of
thousands of pre-existing swatches to call on.

(If absolutely necessary, we could use pre-existing swatches and then
just update them regularly, but creating them all in the first place
would be a massive job!)

Any ideas, anyone? Happy to use plug-ins if necessary.

These swatches are to be put into a PDF.

Mac OS 10.5/10.6, FileMaker client, FileMaker Advanced, and FileMaker
Server, all version 10.

Thanks in advance.

Colm
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Ibrahim Bittar Torres

Re: can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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Hi Colm

Not sure but as far as I know, FileMaker doesn't "speak" CMYK, at
least is not fluent with it.

May be you can use a plugin to generate the color swatches, check this:

http://www.cnsplug-ins.com/products.htm?product=mmcolor

A possible solution is to find a translation formula to convert CMYK
values into LAB values. The LAB color space is bigger than CMYK, in
fact is the biggest, and you can create the color swatches accurately.

So, as usual, this solution brings a new problem, good luck :).

Saludos

Ibrahim Bittar Torres
Director General
Eikonsys
FileMaker 10 Certified Developer
http://www.eikonsys.com
FileMaker Business Alliance

On 07/11/2009, at 06:00, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Hallo Experts
>
> I went into my client's office yesterday to do some fairly straight-
> forward development work on his company's workflow database, and I
> was hit by two very interesting questions.
>
> I would be very grateful if someone here can answer them.
>
> The first question is as in the subject of this email. I can see how
> to make swatches using RGB, but it has to be CMYK. They've given me
> a Pantone library with all the relevant colour names and numbers,
> and the CMYK figures.
>
> This library will be edited from time to time, and so FileMaker has
> to be able to do this on the fly, and not by having a library of
> thousands of pre-existing swatches to call on.
>
> (If absolutely necessary, we could use pre-existing swatches and
> then just update them regularly, but creating them all in the first
> place would be a massive job!)
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Happy to use plug-ins if necessary.
>
> These swatches are to be put into a PDF.
>
> Mac OS 10.5/10.6, FileMaker client, FileMaker Advanced, and
> FileMaker Server, all version 10.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Colm
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Scott R. Davis

Re: can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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Hi Colm,

I did this with an applescript from FileMaker calling Photoshop to
create the swatches and then have FileMaker import the images. It
took all of about 2 minutes for it to create the 3000 images and
import them. I did it with RGB files in the applescript saved to jpg
files, but I don't know why you couldn't create the the images as CMYK
".tif" files.

This does mean that you would be creating a "library" of swatches, but
if you do have the pantone info (pantone names, numbers, and CMYK
values) it is easy to re-create them.

Here's what I did for the RGB files:

Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"] - see below
Loop
Go to Record/Request/Page [Next; Exit after last]
Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"]
End Loop
Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
Perform Script ["Reset Image field"]

___________________________

Script - "Apple Script Make Swatch"

Perform AppleScript - Calculated AppleScript

"tell application \"Adobe Photoshop CS3\"" & ¶ &
"select all current document" & ¶ &
"fill selection of current document with contents {class:RGB color,
red:" & pantone Converted::RED & ", green:" & pantone Converted::GREEN
& ", blue:" & pantone Converted::BLUE & "}" & ¶ &
"set myFile to" & "\"Drive-
In:Users:kiote:Desktop:CSI:swatches:" & pantone Converted::PANTONE
NUMBER & ".jpg" & "\" " & ¶ &
"set myOptions to {class:JPEG save options, embed color
profile:true, format options:progressive, quality:12, scans:3}" & ¶ &
"save current document in file myFile as JPEG with options myOptions
appending no extension with copying" & ¶ &
"end tell"

____________________________

Script - "Reset image field"

Replace Field Contents [No dialog; pantone Converted::SWATCH; pantone
Converted::Image Path]

- where "SWATCH" is a container field with a calculation of "Image
Path"
- and "Image Path" is a calculation
"image:swatches/" & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" & ¶ &
"imagemac:/Macintosh HD/Users/Administrator/Desktop/CSI/swatches/" &
PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" - this is the path to the image

When this runs, you have to have Photoshop open and a image file open
(current document) that is the dimensions of the swatch that you want
to save. This has it replace the color value in the current document
and then save it to what and where you want it saved.

I hope that helps if you go the route to create the library of
swatches. And I am assuming that they have Photoshop since they are
using or are familiar with Pantone colors.

Scott R. Davis

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Patrick Neame-2

Re: can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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I've a vague idea that the "tell application" Photoshop call in Apple
script has become simply "tell" Photoshop in Snow Leopard so it might
be worth a quick check if you're thinking of following this route.

On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:05 pm, Scott Davis wrote:

> Hi Colm,
>
> I did this with an applescript from FileMaker calling Photoshop to
> create the swatches and then have FileMaker import the images. It
> took all of about 2 minutes for it to create the 3000 images and
> import them. I did it with RGB files in the applescript saved to
> jpg files, but I don't know why you couldn't create the the images
> as CMYK ".tif" files.
>
> This does mean that you would be creating a "library" of swatches,
> but if you do have the pantone info (pantone names, numbers, and
> CMYK values) it is easy to re-create them.
>
> Here's what I did for the RGB files:
>
> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"] - see below
> Loop
> Go to Record/Request/Page [Next; Exit after last]
> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"]
> End Loop
> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
> Perform Script ["Reset Image field"]
>
> ___________________________
>
> Script - "Apple Script Make Swatch"
>
> Perform AppleScript - Calculated AppleScript
>
> "tell application \"Adobe Photoshop CS3\"" & ¶ &
> "select all current document" & ¶ &
> "fill selection of current document with contents {class:RGB color,
> red:" & pantone Converted::RED & ", green:" & pantone
> Converted::GREEN & ", blue:" & pantone Converted::BLUE & "}" & ¶ &
> "set myFile to" & "\"Drive-
> In:Users:kiote:Desktop:CSI:swatches:" & pantone Converted::PANTONE
> NUMBER & ".jpg" & "\" " & ¶ &
> "set myOptions to {class:JPEG save options, embed color
> profile:true, format options:progressive, quality:12, scans:3}" & ¶ &
> "save current document in file myFile as JPEG with options
> myOptions appending no extension with copying" & ¶ &
> "end tell"
>
> ____________________________
>
> Script - "Reset image field"
>
> Replace Field Contents [No dialog; pantone Converted::SWATCH;
> pantone Converted::Image Path]
>
> - where "SWATCH" is a container field with a calculation of "Image
> Path"
> - and "Image Path" is a calculation
> "image:swatches/" & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" & ¶ &
> "imagemac:/Macintosh HD/Users/Administrator/Desktop/CSI/swatches/" &
> PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" - this is the path to the image
>
>
> When this runs, you have to have Photoshop open and a image file
> open (current document) that is the dimensions of the swatch that
> you want to save. This has it replace the color value in the
> current document and then save it to what and where you want it saved.
>
> I hope that helps if you go the route to create the library of
> swatches. And I am assuming that they have Photoshop since they are
> using or are familiar with Pantone colors.
>
>
> Scott R. Davis
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:
>
>> Hallo Experts
>>
>> I went into my client's office yesterday to do some fairly straight-
>> forward development work on his company's workflow database, and I
>> was hit by two very interesting questions.
>>
>> I would be very grateful if someone here can answer them.
>>
>> The first question is as in the subject of this email. I can see
>> how to make swatches using RGB, but it has to be CMYK. They've
>> given me a Pantone library with all the relevant colour names and
>> numbers, and the CMYK figures.
>>
>> This library will be edited from time to time, and so FileMaker has
>> to be able to do this on the fly, and not by having a library of
>> thousands of pre-existing swatches to call on.
>>
>> (If absolutely necessary, we could use pre-existing swatches and
>> then just update them regularly, but creating them all in the first
>> place would be a massive job!)
>>
>> Any ideas, anyone? Happy to use plug-ins if necessary.
>>
>> These swatches are to be put into a PDF.
>>
>> Mac OS 10.5/10.6, FileMaker client, FileMaker Advanced, and
>> FileMaker Server, all version 10.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Colm
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Scott R. Davis

Re: can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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Thanks for heads up on the AppleScript. I'll check my file since I
put this together just before I upgraded to Snow Leopard.

Regards,
Scott Davis

310.600.5389

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Patrick Neame <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've a vague idea that the "tell application" Photoshop call in
> Apple script has become simply "tell" Photoshop in Snow Leopard so
> it might be worth a quick check if you're thinking of following this
> route.
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:05 pm, Scott Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi Colm,
>>
>> I did this with an applescript from FileMaker calling Photoshop to
>> create the swatches and then have FileMaker import the images. It
>> took all of about 2 minutes for it to create the 3000 images and
>> import them. I did it with RGB files in the applescript saved to
>> jpg files, but I don't know why you couldn't create the the images
>> as CMYK ".tif" files.
>>
>> This does mean that you would be creating a "library" of swatches,
>> but if you do have the pantone info (pantone names, numbers, and
>> CMYK values) it is easy to re-create them.
>>
>> Here's what I did for the RGB files:
>>
>> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
>> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"] - see below
>> Loop
>> Go to Record/Request/Page [Next; Exit after last]
>> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"]
>> End Loop
>> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
>> Perform Script ["Reset Image field"]
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>> Script - "Apple Script Make Swatch"
>>
>> Perform AppleScript - Calculated AppleScript
>>
>> "tell application \"Adobe Photoshop CS3\"" & ¶ &
>> "select all current document" & ¶ &
>> "fill selection of current document with contents {class:RGB
>> color, red:" & pantone Converted::RED & ", green:" & pantone
>> Converted::GREEN & ", blue:" & pantone Converted::BLUE & "}" & ¶ &
>> "set myFile to" & "\"Drive-
>> In:Users:kiote:Desktop:CSI:swatches:" & pantone Converted::PANTONE
>> NUMBER & ".jpg" & "\" " & ¶ &
>> "set myOptions to {class:JPEG save options, embed color
>> profile:true, format options:progressive, quality:12, scans:3}" &
>> ¶ &
>> "save current document in file myFile as JPEG with options
>> myOptions appending no extension with copying" & ¶ &
>> "end tell"
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> Script - "Reset image field"
>>
>> Replace Field Contents [No dialog; pantone Converted::SWATCH;
>> pantone Converted::Image Path]
>>
>> - where "SWATCH" is a container field with a calculation of "Image
>> Path"
>> - and "Image Path" is a calculation
>> "image:swatches/" & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" & ¶ &
>> "imagemac:/Macintosh HD/Users/Administrator/Desktop/CSI/swatches/"
>> & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" - this is the path to the image
>>
>>
>> When this runs, you have to have Photoshop open and a image file
>> open (current document) that is the dimensions of the swatch that
>> you want to save. This has it replace the color value in the
>> current document and then save it to what and where you want it
>> saved.
>>
>> I hope that helps if you go the route to create the library of
>> swatches. And I am assuming that they have Photoshop since they
>> are using or are familiar with Pantone colors.
>>
>>
>> Scott R. Davis
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo Experts
>>>
>>> I went into my client's office yesterday to do some fairly
>>> straight-forward development work on his company's workflow
>>> database, and I was hit by two very interesting questions.
>>>
>>> I would be very grateful if someone here can answer them.
>>>
>>> The first question is as in the subject of this email. I can see
>>> how to make swatches using RGB, but it has to be CMYK. They've
>>> given me a Pantone library with all the relevant colour names and
>>> numbers, and the CMYK figures.
>>>
>>> This library will be edited from time to time, and so FileMaker
>>> has to be able to do this on the fly, and not by having a library
>>> of thousands of pre-existing swatches to call on.
>>>
>>> (If absolutely necessary, we could use pre-existing swatches and
>>> then just update them regularly, but creating them all in the
>>> first place would be a massive job!)
>>>
>>> Any ideas, anyone? Happy to use plug-ins if necessary.
>>>
>>> These swatches are to be put into a PDF.
>>>
>>> Mac OS 10.5/10.6, FileMaker client, FileMaker Advanced, and
>>> FileMaker Server, all version 10.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Colm
>>> _______________________________________________
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Patrick Neame-2

Re: can FMP make Pantone CMYK swatches?

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Sorry, I knew I'd read something somewhere about Apple Script and Snow
Leopard but it may as well be double dutch as far as I'm concerned so
I didn't retain the information properly. It's the "Open File" command
that has changed to "Open".

I've just found this:-

http://filemaker.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/filemaker.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=7354

On Nov 8, 2009, at 3:25 am, Davis Scott wrote:

> Thanks for heads up on the AppleScript. I'll check my file since I
> put this together just before I upgraded to Snow Leopard.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Davis
>
> 310.600.5389
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Patrick Neame <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I've a vague idea that the "tell application" Photoshop call in
>> Apple script has become simply "tell" Photoshop in Snow Leopard so
>> it might be worth a quick check if you're thinking of following
>> this route.
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:05 pm, Scott Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Colm,
>>>
>>> I did this with an applescript from FileMaker calling Photoshop to
>>> create the swatches and then have FileMaker import the images. It
>>> took all of about 2 minutes for it to create the 3000 images and
>>> import them. I did it with RGB files in the applescript saved to
>>> jpg files, but I don't know why you couldn't create the the images
>>> as CMYK ".tif" files.
>>>
>>> This does mean that you would be creating a "library" of swatches,
>>> but if you do have the pantone info (pantone names, numbers, and
>>> CMYK values) it is easy to re-create them.
>>>
>>> Here's what I did for the RGB files:
>>>
>>> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
>>> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"] - see below
>>> Loop
>>> Go to Record/Request/Page [Next; Exit after last]
>>> Perform Script ["Apple Script Make Swatch"]
>>> End Loop
>>> Go to Record/Request/Page [First]
>>> Perform Script ["Reset Image field"]
>>>
>>> ___________________________
>>>
>>> Script - "Apple Script Make Swatch"
>>>
>>> Perform AppleScript - Calculated AppleScript
>>>
>>> "tell application \"Adobe Photoshop CS3\"" & ¶ &
>>> "select all current document" & ¶ &
>>> "fill selection of current document with contents {class:RGB
>>> color, red:" & pantone Converted::RED & ", green:" & pantone
>>> Converted::GREEN & ", blue:" & pantone Converted::BLUE & "}" & ¶ &
>>> "set myFile to" & "\"Drive-
>>> In:Users:kiote:Desktop:CSI:swatches:" & pantone Converted::PANTONE
>>> NUMBER & ".jpg" & "\" " & ¶ &
>>> "set myOptions to {class:JPEG save options, embed color
>>> profile:true, format options:progressive, quality:12, scans:3}" &
>>> ¶ &
>>> "save current document in file myFile as JPEG with options
>>> myOptions appending no extension with copying" & ¶ &
>>> "end tell"
>>>
>>> ____________________________
>>>
>>> Script - "Reset image field"
>>>
>>> Replace Field Contents [No dialog; pantone Converted::SWATCH;
>>> pantone Converted::Image Path]
>>>
>>> - where "SWATCH" is a container field with a calculation of "Image
>>> Path"
>>> - and "Image Path" is a calculation
>>> "image:swatches/" & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" & ¶ &
>>> "imagemac:/Macintosh HD/Users/Administrator/Desktop/CSI/swatches/"
>>> & PANTONE NUMBER & ".jpg" - this is the path to the image
>>>
>>>
>>> When this runs, you have to have Photoshop open and a image file
>>> open (current document) that is the dimensions of the swatch that
>>> you want to save. This has it replace the color value in the
>>> current document and then save it to what and where you want it
>>> saved.
>>>
>>> I hope that helps if you go the route to create the library of
>>> swatches. And I am assuming that they have Photoshop since they
>>> are using or are familiar with Pantone colors.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott R. Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hallo Experts
>>>>
>>>> I went into my client's office yesterday to do some fairly
>>>> straight-forward development work on his company's workflow
>>>> database, and I was hit by two very interesting questions.
>>>>
>>>> I would be very grateful if someone here can answer them.
>>>>
>>>> The first question is as in the subject of this email. I can see
>>>> how to make swatches using RGB, but it has to be CMYK. They've
>>>> given me a Pantone library with all the relevant colour names and
>>>> numbers, and the CMYK figures.
>>>>
>>>> This library will be edited from time to time, and so FileMaker
>>>> has to be able to do this on the fly, and not by having a library
>>>> of thousands of pre-existing swatches to call on.
>>>>
>>>> (If absolutely necessary, we could use pre-existing swatches and
>>>> then just update them regularly, but creating them all in the
>>>> first place would be a massive job!)
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas, anyone? Happy to use plug-ins if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> These swatches are to be put into a PDF.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OS 10.5/10.6, FileMaker client, FileMaker Advanced, and
>>>> FileMaker Server, all version 10.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Colm
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Thanks to Ibrahim, Scott and Patrick.

Scott - I've very little experience with AppleScript [1], but I will
have a go! And thanks for pointing out the Snow Leopard changes,
Patrick.

Ibrahim - That plug-in also looks very useful, possibly for other
things my client (a food packaging design and production company)
might need, so I'll keep that in mind too.

Cheers

Colm

[1] All I've done with it so far is to make GraphicConverter open an
image file, or display a slideshow!
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Patrick Neame-2

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This information might send you off on a tangent but on the App store
you can find some interesting things from

Wybron

Color (sic) Expert

and MyPantone.

On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:59 am, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Thanks to Ibrahim, Scott and Patrick.
>
> Scott - I've very little experience with AppleScript [1], but I will
> have a go! And thanks for pointing out the Snow Leopard changes,
> Patrick.
>
> Ibrahim - That plug-in also looks very useful, possibly for other
> things my client (a food packaging design and production company)
> might need, so I'll keep that in mind too.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colm
>
> [1] All I've done with it so far is to make GraphicConverter open an
> image file, or display a slideshow!
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Scott R. Davis

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Good Morning Colm,

I also have very little experience with AppleScript, but I use Google
for the answers I can't find. It has been extremely helpful in issues
I've had with FileMaker as well.
I originally found the basis of the Applescript this way and just now
did a Google for "photoshop applescript save as CMYK" to see the
differences from the RGB script that I had to the one below.

I did test this this morning and the applescript worked fine.

If you would like I can send you my test file back channel. send me a
note at [hidden email]

Regards,

Scott

New Applescript:
___________________

"tell application \"Adobe Photoshop CS3\"" & ¶ &
"select all current document" & ¶ &
"fill selection of current document with contents {class:CMYK color,
cyan:" & pantone Converted::Cyan & ", magenta:" & pantone
Converted::Magenta & ", yellow:" & pantone Converted::Yellow & ",
black:" & pantone Converted::Black & "}" & ¶ &
"set myFile to" & "\"Macintosh HD:Users:kiote:Desktop:CSI
Pantone:swatches:" & pantone Converted::PANTONE NUMBER & ".tif" & "\"
" & ¶ &
"set myOptions to {class:TIFF save options, byte order:Mac
OS, embed color profile:false, image compression:LZW}" & ¶ &
"save current document in myFile as TIFF with options myOptions
appending no extension with copying" & ¶ &
"end tell"
_________________________

And this works only if you have a document open in photoshop that is
the size of the swatch that you wish to create. This script basically
uses the open document, selects all, sets the color and saves it to a
file that has been specified as the "PANTONE NUMBER.tif"

On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

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