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Chris Burck

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i downloaded hugin the other day.  it wasn't until i tried installing
that the read me files said it was compatible only with osx 10.4 and
later.  i was surprised because i could've sworn that the download
site said osx 10.2.something and later.  anyway, my question is can i
get hugin or another panotools freeware for osx10.3.9?  i'm running it
on a sawtooth/agp graphics machine.  also, i'm a bit confused by the
different additional programs that i also need to use with it (e.g.
enblend, etc.).  what are they for/what do they do?  which ones do i
need?  i don't have any photo editing software, like photoshop etc.,
so i don't need any plugins.  just something that can stand alone and
stitch together image files scanned from negatives.  sorry for the
pathetic questions. . . .
Harry van der Wolf-3

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Hi Chris,

Hugin 0.7 and the newer 0.8 development builds only run on 10.4 and newer.
The reason is that some underlying components need 10.4 or newer.

The previous version 0.6.1 also runs on 10.3.9.

When you still want to use the 0.7 or newer versions of Hugin (for 10.4 and
up), you only need the "auto controlpoint"  generators as extra. These
generators are patent bound. In this situation it means that it's not
allowed to use them commercially. As we don't have control ove the usage of
Hugin, they are "delivered" separately to make it the responsibility of the
user. All plugins come with an installer.
All other mentioned software like enblend, enfuse and so on come prepackaged
inside the bundle.

You can download the official 0.7 and 0.6.1 from <
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hugin/files/>

You can download the 0.8 development builds and plugins (also for 0.7) from
<http://panorama.dyndns.org/index.php?lang=EN&subject=Hugin&texttag=Hugin>

Please mention where you encountered the 10.2 minimum version. It is
incorrect for already a very logn time.

Kind regards,
Harry



2009/6/30 Chris Burck <[hidden email]>

>
>
> i downloaded hugin the other day. it wasn't until i tried installing
> that the read me files said it was compatible only with osx 10.4 and
> later. i was surprised because i could've sworn that the download
> site said osx 10.2.something and later. anyway, my question is can i
> get hugin or another panotools freeware for osx10.3.9? i'm running it
> on a sawtooth/agp graphics machine. also, i'm a bit confused by the
> different additional programs that i also need to use with it (e.g.
> enblend, etc.). what are they for/what do they do? which ones do i
> need? i don't have any photo editing software, like photoshop etc.,
> so i don't need any plugins. just something that can stand alone and
> stitch together image files scanned from negatives. sorry for the
> pathetic questions. . . .
>  
>


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Chris Burck

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harry, thanks for your help.  a few clarifying questions.  when you
say enblend, enfuse, etc. "come prepackaged inside the bundle," by
"the bundle" do you mean the hugin download?  i.e. i download hugin
and i'm set, no other downloads necessary (unless i choose versions
0.7 or newer, in which case i need the controlpoint thingy)?  also, do
i infer from what you said that there are plugins for hugin, i.e. that
enhance hugin itself, as opposed to plugins that add panotools/hugin
functionality to an editing program like photoshop?  is there a
tutorial or primer that can enlighten me on these things?  there
didn't seem to be anything like that in the files section.  i can't
recall where i saw the 10.2 version, it's very possible that i
conflated a panotools download page with the hugin download page, and
just assumed what applied with the former, applied with the latter
(since the latter is based on the former iirc).  so much for
assumptions.  oh, yeah, do you say hugin like plugin, "hugh_gin,"
hoogin, hoojin, or "huge_in?"
Harry van der Wolf-3

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2009/6/30 Chris Burck <[hidden email]>

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>
> harry, thanks for your help. a few clarifying questions. when you
> say enblend, enfuse, etc. "come prepackaged inside the bundle," by
> "the bundle" do you mean the hugin download? i.e. i download hugin
> and i'm set, no other downloads necessary (unless i choose versions
> 0.7 or newer, in which case i need the controlpoint thingy)?
>









Yes, that's right. The 0.61, 0.7 and 0.8 builds are complete packages apart
from the "controlpoint thingy". When you create panorama's, you start with
your source images which have (should have) a certain overlap. In this
overlapping areas you select equal points in image 1 and image 2, the so
called control points.  Hugin needs these to align the images. You can
either add ControlPoints (CP's) by hand or you can use a "controlpoint
thingy" that automatically does it for you. These "controlpoint thingies"
are the plugins I mentioned.


> also, do
> i infer from what you said that there are plugins for hugin, i.e. that
> enhance hugin itself, as opposed to plugins that add panotools/hugin
> functionality to an editing program like photoshop? is there a
> tutorial or primer that can enlighten me on these things?
>







The MacOSX hugin version is the only one that uses this plugin structure and
currently only for the control point generators. Hugin itself can't be used
as a plugin to some other application.

There are many good tutorials. You should check <
http://hugin.sourceforge.net>. In the Tutorial section you'll find a couple
of very useful tutorials.


there
> didn't seem to be anything like that in the files section. i can't
> recall where i saw the 10.2 version, it's very possible that i
> conflated a panotools download page with the hugin download page, and
> just assumed what applied with the former, applied with the latter
> (since the latter is based on the former iirc). so much for
> assumptions. oh, yeah, do you say hugin like plugin, "hugh_gin,"
> hoogin, hoojin, or "huge_in?"
>










Hugin comes from the name of one of Odin's raven. If you are not familiar
with Norse mythology you might take a look at <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huginn_and_Muninn>. In the early days munin was
a parallel project.
English is not my native language, but hugin is pronounced like in "huggin'
and kissin' " (and no: kissin is not Odin's other raven).

Harry


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Quoting Chris Burck <[hidden email]>:
  oh, yeah, do you say hugin like plugin, "hugh_gin,"
> hoogin, hoojin, or "huge_in?"

I always thought it was like "love in"

mick

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Hi,

I have been trying to use Hugin on a 10.3.9 system for a while... I
think it is not a very promising path to go, as you will start with
software releases (0.6) that are really old even now and will not get
much fun out of the communities ressources referring to the new releases
in the future. Hugin has been one of the reasons that I booted into
Linux on my Mac (as other open source software, which is in general
ported nicely to OS X, but requires you to have always the latest
release of the OS installed).

So my advice: either keep your OS X up-to-date, or add some Linux
partition for having fun with open source on the Mac.

Cheers, Lars.
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lars, are there specific problems that you had running hugin on
10.3.9?  which version/build of linux do you use?
Lars O. Grobe

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Hi!

Chris Burck wrote:
> lars, are there specific problems that you had running hugin on
> 10.3.9?  which version/build of linux do you use?
>  
The problem was just that I was stuck with an old release. And whenever
I want to install open source software, I have to get the old releases
from 2005, 2006, with unfixed bugs, not much support (as noone else is
using it anymore) and the frustration of spending times with problems
that have been solved a long time ago. I have been using Debian /PPC (I
think it was Etch) on my old Powerbook 12" 867MHz until I replaced it
with a Thinkpad last year. Linux on Mac is very nice except the one
button mouse on Laptops, you even get Java fresh and up-to-date as IBM
is supporting its Power-platform very well.

So again I think either getting a Linux installation or making sure to
always have the latest OS X is the way to go when using open source on a
Mac.

CU Lars.
Chris Burck

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harry, 0.6.1 does not seem to be available any longer?  at least not
at the link you gave me.  does anyone know if it's archived anywhere?
i did a web search, but so far any third party sites ultimately link
bank to the hugin download page at sourceforge. :(
Chris Burck

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ok, bruno kindly provided the url for the complete list of hugin
downloads, which could not seem to navigate to.  now i need to ask
which of the options do i want?  there is a link for
hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar.gz, another for hugin-0.6.1.tar.bz, and
another for HuginOSX-v061_build2.dmg a universal binary.  this last
one seems like it would use more drive space than a native ppc
version.  so if i can use the first one, apparently a tarball version
(haven't figured what that means yet), then i guess that would my
preference.  can anyone offer any guidance?  thanks again.
crane-2

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Quoting Chris Burck <[hidden email]>:

> ok, bruno kindly provided the url for the complete list of hugin
> downloads, which could not seem to navigate to.  now i need to ask
> which of the options do i want?  there is a link for
> hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar.gz, another for hugin-0.6.1.tar.bz, and
> another for HuginOSX-v061_build2.dmg a universal binary.  this last
> one seems like it would use more drive space than a native ppc
> version.  so if i can use the first one, apparently a tarball version
> (haven't figured what that means yet), then i guess that would my
> preference.  can anyone offer any guidance?  thanks again.

a tarball is like a furball all wrapped up tight. like a zip file.

.gz as I understand it is additionally compressed so
gunzip hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar.gz
gives hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar
then
tar xvf hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar
gives
hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools


regards

mick


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> tar xvf hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar
> gives
> hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools
 or rather
tar -xvf hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar

and the .bz file I guess is
bunzip instead of gunzip, what the advantages are I do not know.

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Hi Chris,

You should download the
HuginOSX-v061_build2.dmg<http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=77506&filename=HuginOSX-v061_build2.dmg&a=42849664>.
The other ones are not suitable for your.
The tarball is a source version which you have to compile yourself.
The universal one can be run on both ppc and i386 and is bigger than a
native ppc version, but it will take installed about 50 MB. What's the
issue?
10 8Mp+ source images and it's resulting pano take more space. And that's
when talking about jpegs. With 10 8p+ tiff images you have easily 150-250
MB.

Harry


2009/7/1 Chris Burck <[hidden email]>

>
>
> ok, bruno kindly provided the url for the complete list of hugin
> downloads, which could not seem to navigate to. now i need to ask
> which of the options do i want? there is a link for
> hugin-0.6.1_mac-tools.tar.gz, another for hugin-0.6.1.tar.bz, and
> another for HuginOSX-v061_build2.dmg a universal binary. this last
> one seems like it would use more drive space than a native ppc
> version. so if i can use the first one, apparently a tarball version
> (haven't figured what that means yet), then i guess that would my
> preference. can anyone offer any guidance? thanks again.
>  
>


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Chris Burck

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thanks, harry.  i'll download the binary for now.  i am on a fixed
storage income, so to speak, for the next several months at least so i
have to try and optimize wherever possible.  i don't work with large
image files.  99% of what i do is film, scanning black and white negs
at 1200ppi or 2400ppi so the files are usually 10MB or less, and only
the very best of them are stored as tiffs.  the rest are either
deleted or saved as jpegs (if i want to share them, i'd be doing so in
jpeg format anyway).  thanks again.  i appreciate all the help
everyone has kindly given.  i'll let you all know how i get on.