limitations of 'Occurrences in Graph' list in Manage Database window

[Colm Osiris-3]

Hi Experts

In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all  
the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,  
and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable (left  
and right).

I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of  
nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there any  
way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the TO I'm  
looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is (my  
naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a mistake  
in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in the  
Relationship Graph.

Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!

Colm
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[Colm Osiris-3]

> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all  
> the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,  
> and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable  
> (left and right).
>
> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of  
> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there  
> any way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the  
> TO I'm looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is  
> (my naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a  
> mistake in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in  
> the Relationship Graph.
>
> Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!

I tried making the Manage Database window bigger by moving it to the  
left of the screen and then stretching it to the right, but  
unfortunately I reached its maximum size before I got to the end of  
the list, so that didn't help! Didn't even realise there *was* a  
maximum size!

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[Winfried Huslik]

Colm,

Have you tried to make a DDR? It should show all there is.


Winfried
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On 2009-07-03, at 12:41, Colm Osiris wrote:

>> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of  
>> all the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too  
>> long, and I can't see all of it, because this window is not  
>> scrollable (left and right).
>>
>> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of  
>> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there  
>> any way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the  
>> TO I'm looking for is actually based on the base table I think it  
>> is (my naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made  
>> a mistake in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it  
>> in the Relationship Graph.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!
>
> I tried making the Manage Database window bigger by moving it to  
> the left of the screen and then stretching it to the right, but  
> unfortunately I reached its maximum size before I got to the end of  
> the list, so that didn't help! Didn't even realise there *was* a  
> maximum size!
>
> Colm

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[Colm Osiris-3]

Thank you Winfried.

> Have you tried to make a DDR? It should show all there is.

Yes, I've done that, and fed it into Inspector, which has told me that  
it is indeed based on the table I thought it was. Now I still have to  
find it on the Relationship Graph. It must be there somewhere, I'm sure!

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[Winfried Huslik]

Colm,

I guess now I understand the problem.

Are you aware that you can reduce the scale as necessary by clicking  
on the "typewriter" icon on the right of the reduce (-) icon and  
select the TOs with the arrow keys?
Once selected a click on the pencil lets you see the TO or  
relationship definition.


Winfried




On 2009-07-03, at 14:09, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Thank you Winfried.
>
>> Have you tried to make a DDR? It should show all there is.
>
> Yes, I've done that, and fed it into Inspector, which has told me  
> that it is indeed based on the table I thought it was. Now I still  
> have to find it on the Relationship Graph. It must be there  
> somewhere, I'm sure!
>
> Colm

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[Chris Manton]

If you're on Mac OSX, you might take a look at myFMbutler Occurrence
Selector. I wish I'd known about it long ago...

Products at <http://myfmbutler.com/>

Its free.

Chris M
BabelFix, London

On 03/07/2009 13:42:09, "Winfried Huslik" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Colm,
>
> I guess now I understand the problem.
>
> Are you aware that you can reduce the scale as necessary by clicking
> on the "typewriter" icon on the right of the reduce (-) icon and
> select the TOs with the arrow keys?
> Once selected a click on the pencil lets you see the TO or
> relationship definition.
>
>
> Winfried
>
>
>
>
> On 2009-07-03, at 14:09, Colm Osiris wrote:
>
>> Thank you Winfried.
>>
>>> Have you tried to make a DDR? It should show all there is.
>>
>> Yes, I've done that, and fed it into Inspector, which has told me
>> that it is indeed based on the table I thought it was. Now I still
>> have to find it on the Relationship Graph. It must be there
>> somewhere, I'm sure!
>>
>> Colm

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[Colm Osiris-3]

Thank you Winfried.

> I guess now I understand the problem.
>
> Are you aware that you can reduce the scale as necessary by clicking  
> on the "typewriter" icon on the right of the reduce (-) icon and  
> select the TOs with the arrow keys?
> Once selected a click on the pencil lets you see the TO or  
> relationship definition.

The trouble is, if it's less than 100%, I can't read it!

I think it's time I tidied up my Relationship Graph!

Colm
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[Colm Osiris-3]

Thank you Chris.

> If you're on Mac OSX, you might take a look at myFMbutler Occurrence
> Selector. I wish I'd known about it long ago...
>
> Products at <http://myfmbutler.com/>

That's utterly brilliant. This is functionality which FMP should  
include! Maybe version 11!

Only slight problem is that if you install it in an admin account (as  
I do with all my software), it will not be accessible in other  
accounts. To get round this, give it 'Read & Write' status for  
everyone in the Get Info panel. Whether or not this will be reset when  
repairing permissions, I have yet to discover!

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[Colm Osiris-3]

PS.

> If you're on Mac OSX, you might take a look at myFMbutler Occurrence
> Selector. I wish I'd known about it long ago...
>
> Products at <http://myfmbutler.com/>

The reason I couldn't find the TO I was looking for, is that it should  
have been coloured pink, but it was coloured brown. I've no idea why I  
used brown, as I have no base tables which I've used that colour for.  
I'm sure I had a reason at the time, but I'm blowed if I can remember  
it!

Colm
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[FM Talk]

I have no solution for you Colm,
but I wanted to reply to Chris' email recommending FM Butler  
Occurrence Selector.
I found a small bug in it. It doesn't work if you use spaces in your  
TO names (which we use a lot). I am not talking leading spaces (which  
I am not using but rather spaces inside the name).
It shows everything fine until the first space in the TO names, but  
after the first space shows random results.

Eg. I name my tables as A_name, B_name etc
I name my main TO as A_Name, inner related TOs  as "A to B to  
D_blabla", and external db TOs as "A to xA to xF_blabla"

When using Occ. Selector, if I search for "A to xA to xF" first  
result will be "A to A...", second "A to B...." etc.
Even when I copy the ful name of the TO and past it, it gives me  
wrong results.

When I converted one TO spaces to underscores ( _ ) it show up as  
first match, which is good, but if I need to convert all my TO to be  
without spaces just to use this, it's not worthy. Even for free app.

This is just my opinion.

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On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Thank you Winfried.
>
>> I guess now I understand the problem.
>>
>> Are you aware that you can reduce the scale as necessary by  
>> clicking on the "typewriter" icon on the right of the reduce (-)  
>> icon and select the TOs with the arrow keys?
>> Once selected a click on the pencil lets you see the TO or  
>> relationship definition.
>
> The trouble is, if it's less than 100%, I can't read it!
>
> I think it's time I tidied up my Relationship Graph!
>
> Colm
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[Colm Osiris-3]

Thanks for that, Pavle.

> I found a small bug in it. It doesn't work if you use spaces in your  
> TO names (which we use a lot). I am not talking leading spaces  
> (which I am not using but rather spaces inside the name).
> It shows everything fine until the first space in the TO names, but  
> after the first space shows random results.
>
> Eg. I name my tables as A_name, B_name etc
> I name my main TO as A_Name, inner related TOs  as "A to B to  
> D_blabla", and external db TOs as "A to xA to xF_blabla"

I never use spaces in anything, table names, TO names, value lists,  
custom functions, or fields, or anything else. This comes from many  
years of programming BFM (Before FileMaker), when spaces in names was  
just not allowed, and it seems to me to be pretty good practice. All  
my names are made up of compound capitalised words.

In TOs, I always name them like this:

the base table is always called tXxxxxx, where the 't' stands for  
'table'.

The TOs based on the above table would always be called Xxxxxx_Yyyyyy,  
where tYyyyyy is the name of the base table it is relating to.

For instance, to pick one at random, I have a TO in the current  
solution called  
'ClientDept_ClientContact_Job_All
@FindByJobTitleList_DisplayByAccount'. From its name I can tell  
exactly what tables it relates, and how. Sometimes the TO name  
elements have a 'g' suffix, which means 'global'.

Without such a naming convention, in a solution of over 400 TOs (from  
an original 43 base tables), I would never know where I was!

I'm sure other naming conventions are available!

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[James McAlister]

What I do is select the base table, hit Command+U (on Windows) to
select all TO's with the same base table, and then pick the color for
all selections at once. This fixes any coloring errors that I might
have made and keeps the colors consistent.

James
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Colm Osiris<[hidden email]> wrote:
> The reason I couldn't find the TO I was looking for, is that it should have
> been coloured pink, but it was coloured brown.
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[Colm Osiris-3]

Thank you James.

> What I do is select the base table, hit Command+U (on Windows) to
> select all TO's with the same base table, and then pick the color for
> all selections at once. This fixes any coloring errors that I might
> have made and keeps the colors consistent.

Cool! Works on Mac my too. Is that an easter egg, or is it documented?  
I don't remember reading about it.

Wow! My use of the Relationship Graph has become so much more powerful  
today, because of this keyboard shortcut and because of Occurrence  
Selector.

I love this list!

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[James McAlister]

If you will select your base table and then click on the button just
to left of the percent box, you will see this option. You can also
select TO's that are one table away. So surely it is documented
somewhere. :)

James
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Colm Osiris<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thank you James.
>
>> What I do is select the base table, hit Command+U (on Windows) to
>> select all TO's with the same base table, and then pick the color for
>> all selections at once. This fixes any coloring errors that I might
>> have made and keeps the colors consistent.
>
> Cool! Works on Mac my too. Is that an easter egg, or is it documented? I
> don't remember reading about it.
>
> Wow! My use of the Relationship Graph has become so much more powerful
> today, because of this keyboard shortcut and because of Occurrence Selector.
>
> I love this list!
>
> Colm
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[Colm Osiris-3]

James

> If you will select your base table and then click on the button just
> to left of the percent box, you will see this option. You can also
> select TO's that are one table away. So surely it is documented
> somewhere. :)

Thank you. I don't know how I managed to miss that button, or the  
documentation which, as you say, must exist. Anyway, that makes it  
even more powerful, so thanks again.

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[Bruce Robertson]

> Hi Experts
>
> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all
> the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,
> and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable (left
> and right).
>
> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of
> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there any
> way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the TO I'm
> looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is (my
> naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a mistake
> in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in the
> Relationship Graph.
>
> Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!
>
> Colm

I take it first of all that you do not mean "Tables", you mean
"Relationships".

If you're on a Mac, print the graph to Preview. Then in Preview you can use
the sidebar search feature to enter text for any object you're looking for.

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[Beatrice Beaubien]

Hi Bruce,

I'm pretty sure he meant "Tables".

All the best,

Beatrice Beaubien, Ph.D.
i2eye, Toronto, Canada

FileMaker Business Alliance
FileMaker 10 Certified Developer




On Jul 3, 2009, at 12:19:49, Bruce Robertson wrote:

>> Hi Experts
>>
>> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all
>> the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,
>> and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable  
>> (left
>> and right).
>>
>> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of
>> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there  
>> any
>> way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the TO I'm
>> looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is (my
>> naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a mistake
>> in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in the
>> Relationship Graph.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!
>>
>> Colm
>
> I take it first of all that you do not mean "Tables", you mean
> "Relationships".
>
> If you're on a Mac, print the graph to Preview. Then in Preview you  
> can use
> the sidebar search feature to enter text for any object you're  
> looking for.
>
> Bruce Robertson
>
>
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[Colm Osiris-3]

Bruce

>> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all
>> the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,
>> and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable  
>> (left
>> and right).
>>
>> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of
>> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there  
>> any
>> way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the TO I'm
>> looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is (my
>> naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a mistake
>> in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in the
>> Relationship Graph.
>>
> I take it first of all that you do not mean "Tables", you mean
> "Relationships".

No, I definitely meant 'Tables'. That is the name of the tab in the  
Manage Database window that lists all the base tables. Not  
relationships. It is where there is a list of the 'Occurrences in  
Graph' that I could not see all of, because it is too long and the  
window doesn't scroll left or right. That is the list I was talking  
about.

The relationships I was talking about are in the Relationship Graph,  
under the Relationships tab. Honestly, I do know the difference!

> If you're on a Mac, print the graph to Preview. Then in Preview you  
> can use
> the sidebar search feature to enter text for any object you're  
> looking for.

It works, though it comes out really tiny, and has to be zoomed quite  
a lot to be readable. Perhaps that's because I made it put them all on  
one page, and there are over 400 TOs there. Wow, when I did it as  
multiple pages, it created an 80-page PDF!

Thanks very much. I now have three solutions to my problem, all of  
which work brilliantly.

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[D J]

If you know the exact name of the TO, you can simply type the name  
while looking at the graph and it will select.

DJ

On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Hi Experts
>
> In the Manage Database window, under 'Tables', there's a list of all  
> the TOs from each base table. The trouble is, the list is too long,  
> and I can't see all of it, because this window is not scrollable  
> (left and right).
>
> I'm looking on the Relationship Graph for a particular TO out of  
> nearly 450, and even with colour-coding, I can't find it. Is there  
> any way I can see the complete list? Then I could know whether the  
> TO I'm looking for is actually based on the base table I think it is  
> (my naming convention *should* ensure this, but I may have made a  
> mistake in naming or colouring it), which might help me find it in  
> the Relationship Graph.
>
> Meanwhile, I'll keep looking!
>
> Colm
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[FM Talk]

Hi FM talkers,
just to share something with you regarding this threat.
I posted a question to FM Butler for the bug I found in their  
Occurrence Selector app, about dealing with spaces in the name of TOs.
I explained what I saw, and asked are they aware of that and is there  
a way to fix that, or....

Look at the official response from Mr. Gekiere from FM Butler:

Quote:

Hi,
Thank you for your feedback.
It should work fine if you type fast enough :)

Best Regards,
Lieven Gekiere

:End Quote

Smile face, nothing about the issue I raised. I am trying to use  
their app, I've found a bug, and what I get is "use FM relationship  
graph and type fast as you can". Simply said, weird.

I googled Lieven Gekiere, and saw that he is a FM tech from Belgium.  
It must be the European humor he used in his email, which I started  
to miss, since I am originally for Europe (only the wormer southern  
parts of it)

Your frequent FM talker:
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On Jul 3, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Thanks for that, Pavle.
>
>> I found a small bug in it. It doesn't work if you use spaces in  
>> your TO names (which we use a lot). I am not talking leading  
>> spaces (which I am not using but rather spaces inside the name).
>> It shows everything fine until the first space in the TO names,  
>> but after the first space shows random results.
>>
>> Eg. I name my tables as A_name, B_name etc
>> I name my main TO as A_Name, inner related TOs  as "A to B to  
>> D_blabla", and external db TOs as "A to xA to xF_blabla"
>
> I never use spaces in anything, table names, TO names, value lists,  
> custom functions, or fields, or anything else. This comes from many  
> years of programming BFM (Before FileMaker), when spaces in names  
> was just not allowed, and it seems to me to be pretty good  
> practice. All my names are made up of compound capitalised words.
>
> In TOs, I always name them like this:
>
> the base table is always called tXxxxxx, where the 't' stands for  
> 'table'.
>
> The TOs based on the above table would always be called  
> Xxxxxx_Yyyyyy, where tYyyyyy is the name of the base table it is  
> relating to.
>
> For instance, to pick one at random, I have a TO in the current  
> solution called  
> 'ClientDept_ClientContact_Job_All@FindByJobTitleList_DisplayByAccount'
> . From its name I can tell exactly what tables it relates, and how.  
> Sometimes the TO name elements have a 'g' suffix, which means  
> 'global'.
>
> Without such a naming convention, in a solution of over 400 TOs  
> (from an original 43 base tables), I would never know where I was!
>
> I'm sure other naming conventions are available!
>
> Colm
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