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Hi, I want to ask here, if Dell U2410 monitor is a good monitor or is there a better one for the money.  I don't know much about monitors myself. Thinking of buying it soon.
Thank you!

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The Dell UltraSharp monitors are really great. I highly recommend them. Of
course you can get cheaper, but if you want a wonderful screen, this is a
wonderful choice.

Cheers,
Tom Longson (nym)
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> Thinking of buying it soon.
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So,
u2410
2007 wfp
2209 wa
are stellar S-IPS and E-IPS monitors.
the problem is that you cannot see the whole iso-coated gamut, if you are in
printing.
They are showing full sRGB, so, for web and screen visualization and rgb
printing, I'd say they are the best performance for money ever.
And the best angle of view ever, mantaining gamma, color and contrast.
If your primary task is cmyk proofing and printing, then you will find a
slightly better solution in an Eizo like  the CG241W.
SA-VPA planels also are transmitting more light.

:-)
I own 2 dell2007 and a 2209. I'm happy.

R E M E M B E R

YOU NEED A GRETAG MACBETG EYE1 DISPLAY CALIBRATOR to buy before the monitor.
It is better to use a calibrated crappy monitor than an uncalibrated 1st
class one.


2009/10/20 Tom Longson (nym) <[hidden email]>

> The Dell UltraSharp monitors are really great. I highly recommend them. Of
> course you can get cheaper, but if you want a wonderful screen, this is a
> wonderful choice.
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> Cheers,
> Tom Longson (nym)
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I've heard they are good yes.  I'm looking at getting a Eizo ColorEdge CG241W soon, or something simular.  Here's a link to it http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1890&xSec=1&jssCart=3b48577e6477f6c3fa002eaae1c0d2c8  It's worth having a look around that website, has some good info about monitors on it.

Cheers,

Pete

Peter Stephens Photography
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it's nice, but a little to expensive

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                  I've heard they are good yes.  I'm looking at getting a Eizo ColorEdge CG241W soon, or something simular.  Here's a link to it http://shop. colourconfidence .com/product. php?xProd= 1890&xSec= 1&jssCart= 3b48577e6477f6c3 fa002eaae1c0d2c8  It's worth having a look around that website, has some good info about monitors on it.



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Peter Stephens Photography

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around 500... for a decent 24.. it is GOOD!

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I use X-rite EZColor with Optix XR to calibrate my monitor. According to X-rite color Munki is very similiar except that it will do more stuff.

RobLee

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                  So,

u2410

2007 wfp

2209 wa

are stellar S-IPS and E-IPS monitors.

the problem is that you cannot see the whole iso-coated gamut, if you are in

printing.

They are showing full sRGB, so, for web and screen visualization and rgb

printing, I'd say they are the best performance for money ever.

And the best angle of view ever, mantaining gamma, color and contrast.

If your primary task is cmyk proofing and printing, then you will find a

slightly better solution in an Eizo like  the CG241W.

SA-VPA planels also are transmitting more light.



:-)

I own 2 dell2007 and a 2209. I'm happy.



R E M E M B E R



YOU NEED A GRETAG MACBETG EYE1 DISPLAY CALIBRATOR to buy before the monitor.

It is better to use a calibrated crappy monitor than an uncalibrated 1st

class one.



2009/10/20 Tom Longson (nym) <tomlong@gmail. com>



> The Dell UltraSharp monitors are really great. I highly recommend them. Of

> course you can get cheaper, but if you want a wonderful screen, this is a

> wonderful choice.

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> Cheers,

> Tom Longson (nym)

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It is yes, but how much do you spend on one ?  I'm not spending £500 on one if it's not going to give me the correct results.  If £1000 is the price I have to pay for one then I am happy to do so, though parting with the cash isn't the easy part lol !  Some of them go up to £3000 and above, one I saw for around £9000 - so much money!!!
 
It's so difficult trying to find out how much I need to spend on a good monitor.  I'm used to using quality CRT screens at the moment, have used a few TFT ones and couldn't work with them really.  I'm just going by web reviews as I don't beleive there is anywhere around here that you can go and see them in person(South West England).  I've viewed the mac ones and am not keen on them.  Reading the reviews for graphics/photography monitors they don't come out very good too - just look nice thats all.

Head is spinning :-)


Pete

Peter Stephens Photography
www.peterstephens.co.uk


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You're so right, but there has to be a limit how much you end up spending. Just like with a car.
One more question.
Dell comes calibrated from the factory. Shouls I mess around and calibrate it anyway with EZColor and Optix XR or leave it alone. They calibrate it to sRGB and Adobe RGB using Minolta equipment.
Thanks!

RobLee

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                  It is yes, but how much do you spend on one ?  I'm not spending £500 on one if it's not going to give me the correct results.  If £1000 is the price I have to pay for one then I am happy to do so, though parting with the cash isn't the easy part lol !  Some of them go up to £3000 and above, one I saw for around £9000 - so much money!!!

 

It's so difficult trying to find out how much I need to spend on a good monitor.  I'm used to using quality CRT screens at the moment, have used a few TFT ones and couldn't work with them really.  I'm just going by web reviews as I don't beleive there is anywhere around here that you can go and see them in person(South West England).  I've viewed the mac ones and am not keen on them.  Reading the reviews for graphics/photograph y monitors they don't come out very good too - just look nice thats all.



Head is spinning :-)



Pete



Peter Stephens Photography

www.peterstephens. co.uk



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Question is what video card did they use. You need to calibrate it to your
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You're so right, but there has to be a limit how much you end up spending.
Just like with a car.
One more question.
Dell comes calibrated from the factory. Shouls I mess around and calibrate
it anyway with EZColor and Optix XR or leave it alone. They calibrate it to
sRGB and Adobe RGB using Minolta equipment.
Thanks!

RobLee






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$500

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Money:
Around 500 euros in europe, 500$ in usa.
Yes, like with a car, you have to put a money limit. But....
You can end up to buy a citycar, when your job needs, wants and cries for a
specialized small truck or van.
You are a pumber and you need a lot of space, cause when you go to work
somewhere you need a small workshop with you. And you can build and host it
inside the van, but not in a car.

You can have a target price for it, but you still need the van and not the
car.
But a van is a van and a car is a car.

My father knows a lot about computers, more than me. Nothing about lcd
screens and color proofing. He is still convinced that I'm an idiot coz I
bought a 20inch display paying it like a 27 that had also TV and speakers.

a TN matrix is a car.
An S-IPS, SA-VPA is a van, or a truck.
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php
Watch that video and tell me if the color is the same. Gamma is changing
with youtr vertical position in front of the screen. Going down the more you
are tired and face is closer to kboard.

Before DELL 2007wfp it was unimaginable to have one as cheap as 500$
Real PRO monitors are stil around double the price.

If you are not prepared to spend all that money, the wrong choice is to buy
the equivalent of a luxuous citycar. If your task is photography, and you go
to a sleek monitor or a sleek imac with its trashy supermarket TN planel, is
like buying a mini, coz you can afford it and it is a bit cheaper than the
VW transporter

Calibration is involving video card and monitor control hardware, and what
they do in factory, is ensuring you CAN calibrate it again with your system.
Nothing out of scale, and full range of adjustments usable.

YOU NEED A COLOR MOUSE. and one with full features, NO PANTONE HUEY
allautomatic style. Buy Spyder pro, Eye1... even 2nd hand.

Because you use it to calibrate AND PROFILE your monitor, and this is the
beginning of the color workflow chain, that is the reason for buying a good
monitor.

I assume you are or want to become a PRO photographer. I mean, you want to
have a color workflow, control your prints etc.
If not, if you can live with the car, and do not need the truck, go for an
LG or Samsung 24" and never spend more than 200$ on a monitor... till you go
to the "truck" level, all money more is spent in marketing and gadgets.
Spend what you saved in good lenses and you will be far more happy.
And that 24" will be better than a VPA or IPS for watching movies,
videogames etc. Faster responding in light changes and pixel refresh!

Final words:
You can choose a second hand van, with no air conditioning and old engine.
An old CRT, so big so heavy, like SONY GST EST till 21", or some marvellous
LACIE Electron Blue, not to talk about Eizo, Quato, Barco, iiyama...
All are GOOD PRO photo monitor, and you get them quite FREE!
Trucks. Old, heavy, big, but TRUCKS!

:-)
All the best!

Luca.

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>around 500... for a decent 24.. it is GOOD!

I have reviewed a number of Eizo monitors for MacUser in recent
years, and I second this. I didn't look at that specific one but I
did review the newer CG243W: "Like its larger 30in brother, the
CG301W, it is an essentially unbeatable part of a well-managed colour
workflow."
(http://www.macuser.co.uk/reviews/267919/eizo-coloredge-cg243w.html)

These displays come with profiling software, but that requires a
third-party hardware colorimeter (X-Rite's Eye-One, MonacoOptix
devices or ColorVision's Spyders) - all of which bundle their own
excellent software. Curious.

List prices for Eizo displays are high, so shop around. They're never
going to compete on price with the budget crowd, but on the other
hand they're among the very best you can get.

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>Dell comes calibrated from the factory. Shouls I mess around and
>calibrate it anyway with EZColor and Optix XR or leave it alone.

If you have the equipment to do so (which you do) then *always*
calibrate and profile a new display. I don't believe that factory
calibration would be better than you can do if you take a little care
over it, and once it is calibrated you need to create your own
unit-specific profile so your colour management setup knows precisely
how it performs. You should also re-profile your display regularly.

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>a sleek imac with its trashy supermarket TN planel

Careful about the generalisations! Different iMacs have had different
types of displays. Before the new iMacs just released the 24in
model's display was IPS (and *could* render true 24-bit colour)
although the 20in model wasn't (and couldn't, not exactly). NOW both
models (21.5 and 27in) use very good IPS panels - not a TN in sight.

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Well my Dell U2410 is now calibrated to good tolerances and I'm happy with it. I now there are better monitor to be had, faster cars and women, bigger palaces, etc. BTW I am not a pro, if I was maybe I would think differently about it.

RobLee

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>around 500... for a decent 24.. it is GOOD!



I have reviewed a number of Eizo monitors for MacUser in recent

years, and I second this. I didn't look at that specific one but I

did review the newer CG243W: "Like its larger 30in brother, the

CG301W, it is an essentially unbeatable part of a well-managed colour

workflow."

(http://www.macuser. co.uk/reviews/ 267919/eizo- coloredge- cg243w.html)



These displays come with profiling software, but that requires a

third-party hardware colorimeter (X-Rite's Eye-One, MonacoOptix

devices or ColorVision' s Spyders) - all of which bundle their own

excellent software. Curious.



List prices for Eizo displays are high, so shop around. They're never

going to compete on price with the budget crowd, but on the other

hand they're among the very best you can get.



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DemonDuck

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How can I tell if I have an IPS panel on my iMac?  It's
relatively new but not the newest iMac it's a 21.5 (I think)

Is there a list that tells which iMac has the IPS panel?

Keith Martin wrote:

> Sometime around 22/10/09 (at 02:39 +0200) luca vascon said:
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>> a sleek imac with its trashy supermarket TN planel
>
> Careful about the generalisations! Different iMacs have had different
> types of displays. Before the new iMacs just released the 24in
> model's display was IPS (and *could* render true 24-bit colour)
> although the 20in model wasn't (and couldn't, not exactly). NOW both
> models (21.5 and 27in) use very good IPS panels - not a TN in sight.
>
> k
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DemonDuck

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BTW: I found these pages --

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

RobLee wrote:
> Well my Dell U2410 is now calibrated to good tolerances and I'm happy with it. I now there are better monitor to be had, faster cars and women, bigger palaces, etc. BTW I am not a pro, if I was maybe I would think differently about it.
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Just change your VERTICAL viewing angle. if there is ANY color or tone
shifting (it is a gamma shifting) it is a TN.

Really, imacs with IPS?! And maybe glittering glossy?!!?! :-D
In university we took the 20", 2007, and they are TN.
If I had to buy a cheap mac for graphics it would be a Mini, and a Dell IPS
or that eizo.


2009/10/24 Ken Warner <[hidden email]>

> How can I tell if I have an IPS panel on my iMac?  It's
> relatively new but not the newest iMac it's a 21.5 (I think)
>
> Is there a list that tells which iMac has the IPS panel?
>
> Keith Martin wrote:
> > Sometime around 22/10/09 (at 02:39 +0200) luca vascon said:
> >
> >> a sleek imac with its trashy supermarket TN planel
> >
> > Careful about the generalisations! Different iMacs have had different
> > types of displays. Before the new iMacs just released the 24in
> > model's display was IPS (and *could* render true 24-bit colour)
> > although the 20in model wasn't (and couldn't, not exactly). NOW both
> > models (21.5 and 27in) use very good IPS panels - not a TN in sight.
> >
> > k
> >
>
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