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Some recent discussion about range has got me thinking about my own. I
have 96V of Exide GC2-H from NAPA auto parts (390 Min @25Amps, 110 Min
@75Amps, 186Ah @20 Amps, 62 Lbs .. or it could be 480 Min @25Amps, 135
Min @75Amps, 226Ah @20 Amps, 65 Lbs). Thats ~1000lbs of lead. Used 5
days per week for at least 13 miles, recharged every night. 288Wh/mile
(form the pack). total weight unmeasured, probably around 3000lbs. I
use an emeter and watch kWh more than voltage for SOC. Typically using
~5kWh for ~13 miles.

I claim a practical and useful range of 20 miles to a DOD of 60% at
35MPH with hills. By practical and useful I mean acceleration that
does not cause accidents/road rage AND without pulling the pack
voltage below 1.75Vpc (84V). I have full stops every mile. I intend
for this pack to last 4 years (it's at 1 year now).

It has been suggested that I should be getting some 60 miles range
with my battery pack. I just dont believe that is feasible. I can
understand that some math models would suggest amazing range, but the
model I used when designing my pack gave me 29 mile range. My car uses
288 Wh/mile. On good days I could probably push it another 9 miles.

What are some real historical experiences with 4 year packs? Could I
push it harder? My worry is that at higher DOD, the voltage drops
quickly under load (high internal resistance?) and I cant get much
current (like 150A@84V, that's getting to be golf cart acceleration
for me)

-Jon Glauser
http://jonglauser.blogspot.com
http://www.evalbum.com/555

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Bill Dube

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Your numbers look quite reasonable to me.

288 W/hrs per mile is just a touch high, but you have quite a few
stop signs, so that would explain it.

The depth of discharge very strongly effects the cycle life. Since
your commute looks like 50% DOD, your cycle life should be quite
decent. 2000 cycles is quite possible. Thus, five years of life is
not out of the question.

Bill Dube'

At 08:59 AM 10/26/2009, you wrote:

>Some recent discussion about range has got me thinking about my own. I
>have 96V of Exide GC2-H from NAPA auto parts (390 Min @25Amps, 110 Min
>@75Amps, 186Ah @20 Amps, 62 Lbs .. or it could be 480 Min @25Amps, 135
>Min @75Amps, 226Ah @20 Amps, 65 Lbs). Thats ~1000lbs of lead. Used 5
>days per week for at least 13 miles, recharged every night. 288Wh/mile
>(form the pack). total weight unmeasured, probably around 3000lbs. I
>use an emeter and watch kWh more than voltage for SOC. Typically using
>~5kWh for ~13 miles.
>
>I claim a practical and useful range of 20 miles to a DOD of 60% at
>35MPH with hills. By practical and useful I mean acceleration that
>does not cause accidents/road rage AND without pulling the pack
>voltage below 1.75Vpc (84V). I have full stops every mile. I intend
>for this pack to last 4 years (it's at 1 year now).
>
>It has been suggested that I should be getting some 60 miles range
>with my battery pack. I just dont believe that is feasible. I can
>understand that some math models would suggest amazing range, but the
>model I used when designing my pack gave me 29 mile range. My car uses
>288 Wh/mile. On good days I could probably push it another 9 miles.
>
>What are some real historical experiences with 4 year packs? Could I
>push it harder? My worry is that at higher DOD, the voltage drops
>quickly under load (high internal resistance?) and I cant get much
>current (like 150A@84V, that's getting to be golf cart acceleration
>for me)
>
>-Jon Glauser
>http://jonglauser.blogspot.com
>http://www.evalbum.com/555
>
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