templating engines

[Sean Allen-5]

What did seaside use for templates before it switched to programmatic html generation?

I'm trying to find template engines that we could use in our application for areas where backend users need to be able insert small
amount of text into the programmatically created html. the text that the insert needs some basic templating ability and i'd prefer
to not roll our own.

Pointers to any smalltalk templating solutions would also be appreciated.

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[Julian Fitzell-2]

It had it's own which came out of the template system used in Iowa,
which itself came out of the system in WebObject. You basically added
a special "object-id" attribute to tags to mark them as dynamic and
then could configure "bindings" to change the value, callback, etc.
There was also a format that used lisp-like s-expressions instead of
html tags.

You can see a few examples in my ESUG presentation from last year:
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/Esug2008Media/uploads/1/ESUG_2008_-_Seaside_Evolution.pdf

It's probably not what you're looking for, though...

Julian

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What did seaside use for templates before it switched to programmatic html
> generation?
>
> I'm trying to find template engines that we could use in our application for
> areas where backend users need to be able insert small
> amount of text into the programmatically created html. the text that the
> insert needs some basic templating ability and i'd prefer
> to not roll our own.
>
> Pointers to any smalltalk templating solutions would also be appreciated.
>
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On 14 Oct 2009, at 17:41, Sean Allen wrote:

> What did seaside use for templates before it switched to  
> programmatic html generation?
>
> I'm trying to find template engines that we could use in our  
> application for areas where backend users need to be able insert small
> amount of text into the programmatically created html. the text that  
> the insert needs some basic templating ability and i'd prefer
> to not roll our own.
>
> Pointers to any smalltalk templating solutions would also be  
> appreciated.

I put my templates into pier pages for the administrators to edit, and  
use this to fill in the template.

expand: string mergeUsing: dataSource

        | split  |

        string ifNil: [ ^'' ].
    dataSource ifNil: [ ^ string ].
               
        split := string splitOn: '%'.
       
        split size < 3 ifTrue: [ ^ string ].
       
        split withIndexDo: [ :each :n |
          n even ifTrue: [
                        | result |
                        result := (each splitOn: ':')
                                inject: dataSource
                                into: [ :data :accessor | [ data perform: accessor asSymbol ]  
ifError:  [ '%', each, '%' ] ].
                       
                        split at: n put: result.
                ]
        ].

        ^ (split joinUsing: '')

best regards

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[Lukas Renggli]

In the past the topic was discussed several times. Some people have
implemented templating systems for Seaside, but as far as I know none
of them has ever taken off and gained wide adoption.

Lukas

2009/10/14 Sean Allen <[hidden email]>:

> What did seaside use for templates before it switched to programmatic html
> generation?
>
> I'm trying to find template engines that we could use in our application for
> areas where backend users need to be able insert small
> amount of text into the programmatically created html. the text that the
> insert needs some basic templating ability and i'd prefer
> to not roll our own.
>
> Pointers to any smalltalk templating solutions would also be appreciated.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

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[Lukas Renggli]

Oups, forgot the link: http://bit.ly/203nex

2009/10/14 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:

> In the past the topic was discussed several times. Some people have
> implemented templating systems for Seaside, but as far as I know none
> of them has ever taken off and gained wide adoption.
>
> Lukas
>
> 2009/10/14 Sean Allen <[hidden email]>:
>> What did seaside use for templates before it switched to programmatic html
>> generation?
>>
>> I'm trying to find template engines that we could use in our application for
>> areas where backend users need to be able insert small
>> amount of text into the programmatically created html. the text that the
>> insert needs some basic templating ability and i'd prefer
>> to not roll our own.
>>
>> Pointers to any smalltalk templating solutions would also be appreciated.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seaside mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>>
>
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>
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>

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[Sean Allen-5]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote:

It had it's own which came out of the template system used in Iowa,
which itself came out of the system in WebObject. You basically added
a special "object-id" attribute to tags to mark them as dynamic and
then could configure "bindings" to change the value, callback, etc.
There was also a format that used lisp-like s-expressions instead of
html tags.

You can see a few examples in my ESUG presentation from last year:
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/Esug2008Media/uploads/1/ESUG_2008_-_Seaside_Evolution.pdf

It's probably not what you're looking for, though...

actually i think that might be a nice fit for what i need.
was it a sep package from seaside? is there someplace i can get get the code?

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[Göran Krampe]

Hi!

Sean Allen wrote:
> actually i think that might be a nice fit for what i need.
> was it a sep package from seaside? is there someplace i can get get the
> code?

Mmm, not a reply to this but given Keith's post I also wrote SimpleMacro:

http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/SimpleMacro

...which also can do ASP-ish expansion, but with more features :)

regards, Göran

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[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Göran" == Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> writes:

Göran> Mmm, not a reply to this but given Keith's post I also wrote SimpleMacro:

Even with a few templating solutions, you're still about 58 variants
behind the number of templating solutions in Perl in the CPAN.  It
seemed to be one of the rites of passage in the Perl world. :)

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[Julian Fitzell-2]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It had it's own which came out of the template system used in Iowa,
>> which itself came out of the system in WebObject. You basically added
>> a special "object-id" attribute to tags to mark them as dynamic and
>> then could configure "bindings" to change the value, callback, etc.
>> There was also a format that used lisp-like s-expressions instead of
>> html tags.
>>
>> You can see a few examples in my ESUG presentation from last year:
>>
>> http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/Esug2008Media/uploads/1/ESUG_2008_-_Seaside_Evolution.pdf
>>
>> It's probably not what you're looking for, though...
>>
>
> actually i think that might be a nice fit for what i need.
> was it a sep package from seaside? is there someplace i can get get the
> code?

Erm... I thought we had old versions of the code somewhere but I can't
seem to find them. I think I have an archive somewhere in a box...
I'll see if I can dig it out and post on seaside.st or something.

Julian
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[Robert Sirois]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite flawed:

someWATask
    go >> self call: WAComponentA

WAComponentA
    renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
    children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB

WAComponentB
    answer >> self answer: 'blah'

I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
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[Peter Osburg-2]

Hi Robert,

I know this problem very well.
One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.

You could probably create an instance variable called
rootComponent

After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within WAComponentA, e.g.:
WAComponentA
  renderContentOn:html
       |component|
       component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
       html render: component.

And within WAComponentB:
  answer >> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>

I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite flawed:

someWATask
    go >> self call: WAComponentA

WAComponentA
    renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
    children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB

WAComponentB
    answer >> self answer: 'blah'

I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
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[Robert Sirois]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

That worked perfectly, thank you :)

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Hi Robert,

I know this problem very well.
One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.

You could probably create an instance variable called
rootComponent

After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within WAComponentA, e.g.:
WAComponentA
  renderContentOn:html
       |component|
       component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
       html render: component.

And within WAComponentB:
  answer >> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>

I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite flawed:

someWATask
    go >> self call: WAComponentA

WAComponentA
    renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
    children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB

WAComponentB
    answer >> self answer: 'blah'

I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
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[Richard Durr-2]

I would prefer something like

ComponentA>>renderContentOn: html

  | component |

  component := ComponentB new onAnswer: [ :answerB | 

    self answer: answerB

  ].

  html render: component.

since it does not need a reference to the root component (~decoupling).

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert Sirois <[hidden email]> wrote:

That worked perfectly, thank you :)

RS

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Hi Robert,

I know this problem very well.
One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.

You could probably create an instance variable called
rootComponent

After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within WAComponentA, e.g.:
WAComponentA
  renderContentOn:html
       |component|
       component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
       html render: component.

And within WAComponentB:
  answer >> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>

I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite flawed:

someWATask
    go >> self call: WAComponentA

WAComponentA
    renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
    children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB

WAComponentB
    answer >> self answer: 'blah'

I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
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[Peter Osburg-2]

Hi Richard,

I guess from now on I would prefer that one, as well :)

Thanks,
Peter

2009/10/16 Richard Durr <[hidden email]>

I would prefer something like

ComponentA>>renderContentOn: html

  | component |

  component := ComponentB new onAnswer: [ :answerB | 

    self answer: answerB

  ].

  html render: component.

since it does not need a reference to the root component (~decoupling).

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert Sirois <[hidden email]> wrote:

That worked perfectly, thank you :)

RS

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From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]

Hi Robert,

I know this problem very well.
One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.

You could probably create an instance variable called
rootComponent

After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within WAComponentA, e.g.:
WAComponentA
  renderContentOn:html
       |component|
       component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
       html render: component.

And within WAComponentB:
  answer >> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>

I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite flawed:

someWATask
    go >> self call: WAComponentA

WAComponentA
    renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
    children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB

WAComponentB
    answer >> self answer: 'blah'

I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
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If you had a lot of "component Bs" would it be faster to just pass it component A? Or will this second method always be faster?

RS

Peter Osburg <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Hi Richard,
>
>I guess from now on I would prefer that one, as well :)
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>
>2009/10/16 Richard Durr <[hidden email]>
>
>> I would prefer something like
>> ComponentA>>renderContentOn: html
>>   | component |
>>   component := ComponentB new onAnswer: [ :answerB |
>>     self answer: answerB
>>   ].
>>   html render: component.
>>
>> since it does not need a reference to the root component (~decoupling).
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>>  That worked perfectly, thank you :)
>>>
>>> RS
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:04:30 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call and Answer
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> I know this problem very well.
>>> One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.
>>>
>>> You could probably create an instance variable called
>>> rootComponent
>>>
>>> After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within
>>> WAComponentA, e.g.:
>>> WAComponentA
>>>   *renderContentOn:html *
>>>        |component|
>>>        component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
>>>        html render: component.
>>>
>>> And within WAComponentB:
>>>   *answer *>> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>  I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite
>>> flawed:
>>>
>>> someWATask
>>>     go >> self call: WAComponentA
>>>
>>> WAComponentA
>>>     renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
>>>     children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB
>>>
>>> WAComponentB
>>>     answer >> self answer: 'blah'
>>>
>>> I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of
>>> WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> RS
>>>
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[Robert Sirois]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

Is there a way to use jQuery, Prototype, and Scriptaculous in conjunction with each other?

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> ComponentA>>renderContentOn: html
>   | component |
>   component := ComponentB new onAnswer: [ :answerB |
>     self answer: answerB
>   ].
>   html render: component.

You probably don't want to instantiate components while rendering.
This will recreate ComponentB on every refresh and thus break any
stateful behavior. Otherwise the code would work.

Lukas

2009/10/16 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>:

> If you had a lot of "component Bs" would it be faster to just pass it component A? Or will this second method always be faster?
>
> RS
>
> Peter Osburg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>Hi Richard,
>>
>>I guess from now on I would prefer that one, as well :)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Peter
>>
>>2009/10/16 Richard Durr <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> I would prefer something like
>>> ComponentA>>renderContentOn: html
>>>   | component |
>>>   component := ComponentB new onAnswer: [ :answerB |
>>>     self answer: answerB
>>>   ].
>>>   html render: component.
>>>
>>> since it does not need a reference to the root component (~decoupling).
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  That worked perfectly, thank you :)
>>>>
>>>> RS
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:04:30 +0200
>>>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call and Answer
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> I know this problem very well.
>>>> One way could be, to pass a reference of WAComponentA to WAComponentB.
>>>>
>>>> You could probably create an instance variable called
>>>> rootComponent
>>>>
>>>> After you initialized WAComponentB, you give it the reference from within
>>>> WAComponentA, e.g.:
>>>> WAComponentA
>>>>   *renderContentOn:html *
>>>>        |component|
>>>>        component := (WAComponentB new) rootComponent: self.
>>>>        html render: component.
>>>>
>>>> And within WAComponentB:
>>>>   *answer *>> self rootComponent answer: 'blah'
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/15 Robert Sirois <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>  I'm trying something a little strange here, and my logic is really quite
>>>> flawed:
>>>>
>>>> someWATask
>>>>     go >> self call: WAComponentA
>>>>
>>>> WAComponentA
>>>>     renderContentOn: >> html render: WAComponentB
>>>>     children >> ^Array with: WAComponentB
>>>>
>>>> WAComponentB
>>>>     answer >> self answer: 'blah'
>>>>
>>>> I would like for WAComponentB to answer someWATask in place of
>>>> WAComponentA, is there a way to do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> RS
>>>>
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> Is there a way to use jQuery, Prototype, and Scriptaculous in conjunction
> with each other?

Yes, but unless large amounts of legacy code forces you to do so, I
suggest to avoid it.

The Prototype and jQuery Javascript libraries basically conflict with
each other and thus special precaution has to be taken. I suggest that
you closely follow the jQuery-nonConflict mode as described in the
following document:

    http://docs.jquery.com/Using_jQuery_with_Other_Libraries

See the Seaside method comment of

    JQuery class>>#functionName:

for additional information.

Cheers,
Lukas

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[Richard Durr-2]

I use it this way and up until now it seems to work fine. :)

RD

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is there a way to use jQuery, Prototype, and Scriptaculous in conjunction
> with each other?

Yes, but unless large amounts of legacy code forces you to do so, I
suggest to avoid it.

The Prototype and jQuery Javascript libraries basically conflict with
each other and thus special precaution has to be taken. I suggest that
you closely follow the jQuery-nonConflict mode as described in the
following document:

   http://docs.jquery.com/Using_jQuery_with_Other_Libraries

See the Seaside method comment of

   JQuery class>>#functionName:

for additional information.

Cheers,
Lukas

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> It had it's own which came out of the template system used in Iowa,
>> which itself came out of the system in WebObject. You basically added
>> a special "object-id" attribute to tags to mark them as dynamic and
>> then could configure "bindings" to change the value, callback, etc.
>> There was also a format that used lisp-like s-expressions instead of
>> html tags.
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>> You can see a few examples in my ESUG presentation from last year:
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>> http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/Esug2008Media/uploads/1/ESUG_2008_-_Seaside_Evolution.pdf
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>> It's probably not what you're looking for, though...
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> actually i think that might be a nice fit for what i need.
> was it a sep package from seaside? is there someplace i can get get the
> code?

Erm... I thought we had old versions of the code somewhere but I can't
seem to find them. I think I have an archive somewhere in a box...
I'll see if I can dig it out and post on seaside.st or something.

Any luck? 

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